For our friends from E69

[Zepp-V]

Friends! What are your bomber team doing on stukas? Delivering air victories straight forward to red aces? Or you decide to give for reds victory by aircraft elimination?
Quantity of reserve planes are strictly limited now in difference from "qualification maps" ( Lvov-41,Smolensk-41). So keep your planes and lives please.

[Deliverator]

First, we'd like to say we are sorry for this. We have 2 Stukas squads, and we have to say thing aren't going well. We are new around here and we know the rules but it's sure that we couldn't understand them right. Thanks to some people who have help us, we have tried to correct the situation this night flying under fighter cover but anyway we've been shot down versus those rusian fighters.

So, we'd like only to say one more time that we are really sorry from E69 and we're doing our best efforts for evade this situations and the bad actuations of bomber squads. Thanks for your help and patience.

I'd like to add only one thing. Everyone has been newbee one time. Most of you have been talking to us by IL2 chat for tell us this problem, but we won't accept insults to us ( as has happened today). Therefore, I'd like to say that we know our problem and we are looking for ways to stop this "Stuka hunting" so, we only ask for you to be polite with the rest of pilots. No one likes to be insulted .

Regards

[ABC]

First, we'd like to say we are sorry for this. We have 2 Stukas squads, and we have to say thing aren't going well. We are new around here and we know the rules but it's sure that we couldn't understand them right. Thanks to some people who have help us, we have tried to correct the situation this night flying under fighter cover but anyway we've been shot down versus those rusian fighters.

So, we'd like only to say one more time that we are really sorry from E69 and we're doing our best efforts for evade this situations and the bad actuations of bomber squads. Thanks for your help and patience.

I'd like to add only one thing. Everyone has been newbee one time. Most of you have been talking to us by IL2 chat for tell us this problem, but we won't accept insults to us ( as has happened today). Therefore, I'd like to say that we know our problem and we are looking for ways to stop this "Stuka hunting" so, we only ask for you to be polite with the rest of pilots. No one likes to be insulted .

Regards

That is true - no one likes to be insulted.
If you have any question fill yourself free to ask them.

[Bobb5]

Best tactics for a Stuka's is to stay out of the furballs that always develop over contested areas..
Do not try and go for the easy tank kill with ten red fighters drooling to drop on your six.
When the map starts wait a few minutes and see where all the reds are taking off from. This will give you a good idea as to where the action will be. Leave the tank hunting to the FW190's and Me110's.
Rather select an out of the way red airbase, make sure it does not appear as white on the map (indicates it is out of supply).
Then take off and fly a round-about route to the target.
Ideal targets to hit at an airbase are parked planes, should be four sets of three each. Use either your guns or bombs to take them out and then fly round-about route back. For every three static planes you destroy you get one point. So four bombers, each taking three static planes out gives you 4 points towards qualifying. If you feel lucky the outer aa (large guns) also make easy targets (again destroying three makes a single point).
To add to the tactical part of the bomber squadron select your base wisely, taking off from an out of the way airfield gives you an advantage as well.

Lastly fighter defence, try and enlist the help of an english speaking fight squadron to fly cover. SAAF and BH are two I fly for.

If you are attacked by an enemy fighter jettison your bombs and try and dogfight the bastard. You can turn inside any enemy fighter with full flaps, let your rear gunner slowly chew him up..
As he pounces on one of you the others in your squadron can pounce on him. An air kill counts as a point.

Important maxim turn back and bank any points you make ASAP. A plane with points is worth protecting.
Each point is one step closer to qualifying. with four pilots you need 12 points. With six you need 18.
I do not know how many you still need but get them fast.
You can the switch to the H111 or J88 and fly in high.

Hope this has been of help.

Ps we are all newbies in the end.

[Deliverator]

Thanks all guys for posting. I think Bobb5 has solved most of our questions. We were going more or less the right way, but there are some things that must be changed.

Thanks again

[Zepp-V]

Therefore, I'd like to say that we know our problem and we are looking for ways to stop this "Stuka hunting" so, we only ask for you to be polite with the rest of pilots. No one likes to be insulted .

I beg you my pardon for any insult. ADW is a team play so excuse some excited words too

Bobb5 said good thing, listen him
On this map for blue side is almost impossible to win by tank moving. Really we can win only by AF capture (make all red AF out of supply) or by aircraft elimination(red lost their planes first - that was the cause of some excited words in your address )
BTW destroyed static planes are accounted in air losses so destroying it not only gives qualification points but closing victory too.

And one more advice : there was a bad guys that read log-files ( eventlog.lst). Every turnig on/off smokes, ANL, sitting for shooter and back to pilot in plane was writting there with co-ordinates. It's equal to said in common chat "I'm pilot *Nick* at plane *model* here *position on map*".
In fight that was no matter cause you was seen already but using it on the way to target may cause you to be surprised by interceptor.

[Deliverator]

I beg you my pardon for any insult. ADW is a team play so excuse some excited words too

Sure. We are humans after all, and we can do thing that are not correct, don't worry

And one more advice : there was a bad guys that read log-files ( eventlog.lst). Every turnig on/off smokes, ANL, sitting for shooter and back to pilot in plane was writting there with co-ordinates. It's equal to said in common chat "I'm pilot *Nick* at plane *model* here *position on map*".
In fight that was no matter cause you was seen already but using it on the way to target may cause you to be surprised by interceptor.

So, that means that if i change position to gunner and back to pilot, is seeing on log, right? ( my english is not perfect, so i want to be 100% sure about your words for this )

Thanks for posting

[Bobb5]

Yes changing position in a bomber can be used to locate a bomber. Not sure sure how it is done but I have heard of it.
I normally do not change position until close to the target anyway unless my guns start tracking. If they do, then the enemy knows where you are anyway.
Also in the bigger bombers always try and give your gunners the shot. It is not unusual to see a bomber pilot with six or seven kills.

Also another trick with the stuka is to stay low and follow valley's and rivers thus avoiding being spotted.
I have been in a fighter at 6000m and have had a pesky red attacking ground targets below me. Circled for ten minutes until I was lucky enough to see his tracers.
You will find very few fighter jocks prepared to trade height just to be able to spot a mud-mover.
In a fighter height is life.
Use this to your advantage.

Last few bits of advice. A stuka does not need more than 50% fuel to fly for an hour. Never use a full tank (wastes resources). and obviously if you only have 30 minutes left on a map reduce your fuel to 25%.
Never take-off without a quorum your bomb is wasted and any ground-kill will not count.
Qourum on the maps are as follows 3 vs 3 or ten on a side. Rule of thumb, before take-off check that you can count ten blues or ten reds or three blues and three reds using the "S" key.
When you have time fly the odd resupply sortie to resupply outer airfields.

Practice offline to decide which bomber you will take when you qualify.
The J88 is the best all-rounder able to dive-bomb as well as level bomb.
The H111 is very stable and great for the novice. It handles poorly on the ground though. Taxing can be hard.

The Me 110 is the final baby in the stable of true bombers and can be considered just a faster Stuka.

Look forward to flying with you guys
BH_Bobb4 or SAAF/F_Bobb4 are my fighter nicks

[Zepp-V]

So, that means that if i change position to gunner and back to pilot, is seeing on log, right? ( my english is not perfect, so i want to be 100% sure about your words for this )

Thanks for posting

Yes!!!!
Every change of position was seeing in log.

[Zepp-V]

Yes changing position in a bomber can be used to locate a bomber. Not sure sure how it is done but I have heard of it.
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There was a file usually called eventlog.lst in folder of game, records in it looks like:

[15:37:48] -=TAG=-Shuxer:He-111H-6(0) seat occupied by -=TAG=-Shuxer at 9694.876 141870.48
[15:37:48] -=TAG=-Shuxer:He-111H-6(1) seat occupied by -=TAG=-Shuxer at 9679.066 141872.3
[15:37:49] -=TAG=-Shuxer:He-111H-6(2) seat occupied by -=TAG=-Shuxer at 9659.776 141874.64
[15:38:01] -=TAG=-Shuxer:He-111H-6(3) seat occupied by -=TAG=-Shuxer at 9322.991 141937.19

Now we can see from first records that pilots "-=TAG=-Shuxer" on "He-111H-6" seat on pilots place (0) at "9694.876 141870.48". Each square on map was 10000 m long, so we can see his coordinates - A( less then 10000) 15(less then 150000) np 3.

Info in this file is regularly renew adding new records so some "advanced" cheater use a programs called "logreader" to check updating of this file automatically.
That's all folks

P.S. All that developer of game can make with this cheat is to slow down renewing info using buffer for accumulating data. But "advanced" pilots use turning on/off their own ANL and smokes to fill this buffer quickly

[Bobb5]

Yes changing position in a bomber can be used to locate a bomber. Not sure sure how it is done but I have heard of it.
...

There was a file usually called eventlog.lst in folder of game, records in it looks like:

[15:37:48] -=TAG=-Shuxer:He-111H-6(0) seat occupied by -=TAG=-Shuxer at 9694.876 141870.48
[15:37:48] -=TAG=-Shuxer:He-111H-6(1) seat occupied by -=TAG=-Shuxer at 9679.066 141872.3
[15:37:49] -=TAG=-Shuxer:He-111H-6(2) seat occupied by -=TAG=-Shuxer at 9659.776 141874.64
[15:38:01] -=TAG=-Shuxer:He-111H-6(3) seat occupied by -=TAG=-Shuxer at 9322.991 141937.19

Now we can see from first records that pilots "-=TAG=-Shuxer" on "He-111H-6" seat on pilots place (0) at "9694.876 141870.48". Each square on map was 10000 m long, so we can see his coordinates - A( less then 10000) 15(less then 150000) np 3.

Info in this file is regularly renew adding new records so some "advanced" cheater use a programs called "logreader" to check updating of this file automatically.
That's all folks

Wow

[Nite2]

Hello, I just wanted to say that our kids bombers thanks to your advice have taken note and I can assure you that when they get the ju88 or he111 you are going to surprise because they are real specialists in these aircraft and look at the level bombing.

The Bf110 take him also know, including how to destroy tanks with his cannon of 3.7cm.

Thank you for your understanding and as you already vereis pleasantly surprised.

Greetings and we are in the air

[Deliverator]

I've told my squad members about the logreader "cheat" and are adviced not to do those things

We've been flying allways on tree-top altitude using ground as cover and have been spotted some times, maybe by the logreader thing, maybe not. We'll know it on following flys.

Thanks for all this information

PS: Our bomber squad are specialiced on Ju88, so you know what are we going to get . Things are going to change when we get it, you'll see

EDIT: Haha Nite has also posted as i was writing, he's one of our fighters.

One question: Is BF-110 able to use 3.7 cannon when you get it? Or you have to get points for new weapons?

[Bobb5]

One question: Is BF-110 able to use 3.7 cannon when you get it? Or you have to get points for new weapons?

From Kuban map onwards you get the H129 which you can put the 3.75 cannon on. Earlier maps no.
As we are already in Stalingrad Summer enjoy your cannon

[Zepp-V]

... One question: Is BF-110 able to use 3.7 cannon when you get it? Or you have to get points for new weapons?

Such a craft ( 110 with dreamgun) called in planeset as "Hs129". So when on your squad page was shown this plane u can use this gun.