Question

[I./NJG6_HeTzeR]

Why is it so hard, to fly as a team? I mean the blue side....
Today 4 reds 20 Blues! And what are they doing?! I DONT KNOW!
I told them attack Airfields! But what are they doing? nothing? flying Airshows?
We could have win this map today...but we blew it.
My whole squad died while trying to bomb several (secret) Targets But we TRIED IT! And we made it sometimes!
All I read in the chat is fly as a team fly as a team but whos gonna do it? Nobody..... ok maybe some Squads are very good to fly with, like the Finnish guys and the Pokemons for example but the rest of ya..
20 vs 4 ..... I just dont get it.



Greetings HeTzeR

[P_PikaCHuu]

Please believe me that this war will be won by reds, relax and fly just for fun. Better do that way then spending your nerves on such kind of topics. Red side has several big squads working together as a team. blue side has nothing. There are bunch of squads, actually big , but they are all flying alone, our teamplay is low, much lower then reds have. Thus there will be no victory for us. It's difficult to make some teamplay. U must deal with others , U must ask them a favor do this do that. It takes time, nerves and lots of energy to organize several squads together .

[I./NJG6_HeTzeR]

Why can they do it? Why?
Why is it not hard for them?

[=373=]

Why can they do it? Why?
Why is it not hard for them?

because they are red

[I./NJG6_HeTzeR]

Damn...ok point for you

[Otto]

Hetzer - ADW maps are like movies and have a manuscript they follow unless something very, very exceptional is done. For the moment this is not foreseen for the blue side so enjoy the game and take the pleasure from small ops. you will will succesfully perform. (yet this is the best online campaign available and sorry we are only 20% involved in action this round )

[I./NJG6_HeTzeR]

Yeah otto, youre right
(all your fault cause you dont bomb )

[-=RedS=-Jag]

You fellows want to fly to victory! It is clear that not enough experience, but the main desire.
The reds organization is also not very high, but there are pilots who have experience and know where best to strike at one time or another.
Fly, be united and will be even better and more fun!

P.S.
It is a pity that the Finnish pilots do not participate actively!

[wolfofwinter]

Most of the time, when you see a lot of red squads together are linguistically equal, it is the case: RedEyes, IronEyes, HR, DZR, 16GIAP for example..... apart, that each separate squad are very good and organized, together are even better......

Try to learn a little more English, German and Russian if I can be more involved in collective missions ... usually, even with a quorum of 4 * 20 ... I'm just going to get those 4 .... and if they are 20 * 4 ... I like to look or face the 20

I try to do my part, protect, cover or attack ... but I do not have the hunger to be the best, if that increased my salary if he would.....


Salute !!!!

[ABC]

Why is it so hard, to fly as a team? I mean the blue side....
...
I told them attack Airfields! But what are they doing? nothing? flying Airshows?
...
Greetings HeTzeR

Hello HeTzer, I've skipped some of your words and left only those, I can answer.

I suppose, that when you tell to attack airfields 55% of pilots simply do not understand you (they do not know English), 15% of pilots simply do not care and fly for fun, 15% think that there are even more important targets (tanks i.e.) and remaining pilots who agree with you simply have not enough power to close at least one a/f.

May be we can organize some kind of headquarters where we can unite our efforts as we did with Otto and SAAF friends last time? I suppose Otto still has closed forum thread for this? It would be great to try...

[303_Kermit]

Why can they do it? Why?
Why is it not hard for them?

Maybe it's because most of the time we're... Ekhmm.... Well... Hunted? At the beginning of the war of course
If you want to survive you simply has to search for help of your mates. I mean, if your plane is fast enough to escape (if you're not taken by surprise), who needs to cooperate anyway? You're attacking alone, ineffectively and then you're running away with one kill scored. In the same moment you're loosing tanks, but who cares? Surely not the ace with another kill scored - "I have my job done".

Anyway... There is some squad on blue side, and they truly are "eksperten". I saw them once, 8 Bf-109F4 on Stalingrad summer. They came in formation 4xBf on 4-5k, 2xBf on 7k, 1-2xBf hunting on ground. No chasing single contact, formation kept together, perfect team-fight from beginning to the end. They were so damn effective, that they seem to appear everywhere. I was feeling their breath from take off to tgt. Very quickly we lost tanks, supply columns and AF next to them. We couldn't defend. And it was only one fighter squad and 3~5 bombers (usually only 1~2 of them appears in the same time)!
Hopefully I didn't met them for a long time. Usually I can easily hunt down a bomber before blue escort dives down to hunt me (what they usually do a 1-2 minutes after). They were only exception.

Next day someone called "Attack is our only chance!" So I expected high losses cause we couldn't stand your Bf-109 over our own territory, fighting behind enemy lines seems hopeless to me but... "Order is an order" , so I took off heading to AF F8. When I came there I discovered that everyone did same as me . In result from 3-4km alt to the ground there were so many Yak-9/7A fighters, and Il-2 buthers, that I felt like home there . 109'rs burning on ground, hunted just after take off, IL-2s doing massacre on ground. Flak killed, priceless fuel and ammunition supply wasted... Where were bf's? 6 of them I saw peacefully flying high over our head on 7-8km altitude. Everyone of us who wanted to stay safe and came on 6k became their victim. Almost everyone who came lower as IL-2 escort scored a kill and survived to tell about it!

They allowed us to make our job and simply ignore every contact below 4-5km, single Bf's attacking us on our altitude never reach our Sturmovicks. After that most squads retreat to B5 AF and never came closer to F8 AF.

Why I'm writing all of this?
1. Quorum was 23/25 so equal number of players.
2. Every time such discussion appears on forum, it ends in whining about immortal Russian fighters, and too weak armament of Bf-109.

Sincerely yours
Green Ugly Fellow.

[+FA+57]

Hetzer - ADW maps are like movies and have a manuscript they follow unless something very, very exceptional is done. For the moment this is not foreseen for the blue side so enjoy the game and take the pleasure from small ops. you will will succesfully perform. (yet this is the best online campaign available and sorry we are only 20% involved in action this round )

Otto! I saw a lot of times you and your friends did something very exceptional )))

[Otto]

maybe we will try to mobilise us for something small scale also for this round - we'll see

[+FA+57]

:) maybe we will try to mobilise us for something small scale also for this round - we'll see

Sorry. our squad is on the red side this war.