Suggestion For Next Air Domination War

[TUS_Ogly]

Please tell me why in most crowded (about 18-24 hours MSK) time there is always something like 6red:2blue pilots on server?
We've been able to organize up to 14 pilots to get some action. Why can't you organize even 3 pilots to make things fair?
All of us fly only to have fun. All of us want to fight, not to gain medals, stats etc.
There was big questions about the rules ground troops advance/retreat - it was the main reason of loosing population on the server.
Let's figure out how make server popular again and we'll never be arguing about quorum numbers question.

[ABC]

S~ ABC and others participating in ADW project.
i respect all the work and ideas you put into this game ,but....

one question for you gentleman:
was it necesarry to come down to this?
i mean blue players who are not willing to fly anymore here and have lost interest in ADW?

No idea, man. Not mine competence, sorry. I am a player here, nothing more.

was it necesarry for blue players to feel theres no need for them to fight here,and since it has all come to this,NOW you respond for first time after months to our english speaking forum??

Sorry, will try to participate more.

i remember,some time ago,i made a post (viewtopic.php?f=147&t=192296&start=30 , 12/03/2010) where i complained about F-2 as reserve for 4(!!!!)maps till 44.no answer,no response and some months after that you give us Emil E-7 as reserve for 2 maps.
Well,thank you,(of course,no reply yet about G-2 as reserve for 1944 maps) that means that MAYBE someone read this post of mine,but shouldnt we players get the feeling that there is a english speaking forum that is given the respect it deserves?

Red side has no better planes here. Yes, I-16 in the beginning, I know, but then... Early Yak-7, yuk... You know the principle - the reserve equals ... hmm... sh*t. So we should compare reserves of both sides here. These things are pretty balanced at least from the fourth map.

read all the complains from blue players,REACT to THEM,TELL THEM WHAT CAN BE DONE and WHAT NOT,Where they are RIGHT and WHERE WRONG,EXPLAIN something.
dont use this forum just to announce:....5:0 quorum....

S
Typhoon

Totally agree. I can be a volunteer here, and explain what I know and how I understand all the things happened. But for sure you'd better to send me PM should any question arise because I am not a regular visitor of this forum. And I am not a member of a project team. I can also send you my e-mail address.

[335th_GRTyphoon]

Please tell me why in most crowded (about 18-24 hours MSK) time there is always something like 6red:2blue pilots on server?
We've been able to organize up to 14 pilots to get some action. Why can't you organize even 3 pilots to make things fair?
All of us fly only to have fun. All of us want to fight, not to gain medals, stats etc.
There was big questions about the rules ground troops advance/retreat - it was the main reason of loosing population on the server.
Let's figure out how make server popular again and we'll never be arguing about quorum numbers question.

TUS OGLY

i remember that after a few maps in ADW 9,red players would not fly and give quorum to blue.
of course it was much much harder to fly for blue back then cause quorum was 14:0..................
can you tell me why that happened?
well,i asked a few russian blue friends,and they told me that reds complained about many things,planeset,bombs etc etc.
i can not know,cause i can not read russian.....

Yes,all of us want to have fun,but flying against empty server is (for me) not fun at all.
and if my 335 bomber squadronmates want to practice,they do it off-line....
And rules make allways a big difference,but they never provoke unless they are unfair

[335th_GRTyphoon]

ABC

i know you and i know you are a veteran,sorry if i misunderstood,but i read a lot of your posts in english and russian part (mostly) talking and explaining about ADW as if you were a member of this team.
my fault.
but, if you are only a player here,why do you insist that blue should fight on here,if they feel its not worth it???????

[335th_GRTyphoon]

S~ ABC and others participating in ADW project.
i respect all the work and ideas you put into this game ,but....

i remember,some time ago,i made a post (viewtopic.php?f=147&t=192296&start=30 , 12/03/2010) where i complained about F-2 as reserve for 4(!!!!)maps till 44.no answer,no response and some months after that you give us Emil E-7 as reserve for 2 maps.
Well,thank you,(of course,no reply yet about G-2 as reserve for 1944 maps) that means that MAYBE someone read this post of mine,but shouldnt we players get the feeling that there is a english speaking forum that is given the respect it deserves?

Red side has no better planes here. Yes, I-16 in the beginning, I know, but then... Early Yak-7, yuk... You know the principle - the reserve equals ... hmm... sh*t. So we should compare reserves of both sides here. These things are pretty balanced at least from the fourth map.

some sh*t stinks more than other ABC...
besides the humor,why do you talk about I-16's in first 3 maps like its nothing?
its not 1 or 2 maps,and I-16 are real UFO's in this game,but i understand that this is made to make the game a little bit more fun for red players,and a little bit more equal.
i understand that most reds would participate from map 4,moscow,if I-16's were crap.
OK.
but if admins want to make this game equal and fun FOR BOTH SIDES,why dont they equal things on the ground also?
how can you compare Stuka with IL-2????????????
is there a comparison??????????
what would ANY of us like to fly as ground attack,Stuka or flying tank IL-2?
in which plane can we destroy MORE TARGETS?
NO EQUALITY HERE.

now,about reserve beeing sh*t,i agree.
you must be cautious not to lose main plane cause life sucks in reserve.
BUT.....
.....i feel that some sh*t stinks more than other as i said,so for me :15mm stinks more than 20mm(even if F-2 IS a better plane,but NOT suited for ADW,and by the way,if reserve planeset was ok,why was it changed???? ) and G-6 stinks waaaaaay more than Yak-9D.........
and i talk about 5 maps here.......
plus,
the early war advantage of blue planes is lost late war,so why dont give late war a better reserve (109 G-2..) to make blue feel a little bit better,EXACTLY like I-16 for the same reasons i explained early war??????????????(".....make the game a little bit more fun for red players,and a little bit more equal...."


and allways remember 2 things....
1.Luftwaffe's best planes flew 1942-1943,while russian best planes flew 1944-1945.
if you cut capabilities or planes of 1942-1943 (G-2 with gunpods,no mk-108,no G-2 reserve),you cut the ONLY PLANES WHO GAVE ADVANTAGE TO BLUE IN THE WHOLE WAR.
if you DONT cut planes or planes capabilities from russian planes best period 44-45,then THERE IS NO EQUALITY......

2.ADW is mostly won ON THE GROUND,that means LOW,and we all know what LOW means for blue planes......anyone not recognizing this is either a noob or ignorant.

THX for the reply

S~
Typhoon

[Sam]

You win before 1943, we win after 1943. This happens mostly because of planesets and it is kind of rule since ADW GT - blues give up after 1943.
Nevertheless, Tomsk United Squad didn't complain on the first maps, we just fought, but very frequently died. And now you're in our shoes and you don't mind of sinking in tears.

[Sam]

no reds on begining

You win before 1943, we win after 1943. This happens mostly because of planesets and it is kind of rule since ADW GT - blues give up after 1943.
Nevertheless, Tomsk United Squad didn't complain on the first maps, we just fought, but very frequently died. And now you're in our shoes and you don't mind of sinking in tears.

[TUS_Ogly]

Tus Ogly, the reason why in most crowded hours, blues dont fly anymore, is cause the administration of the campaign made sure they realise no matter what they do, they will lose, or in fact the victory will be stolen while they dont fly. How many games have u bought, or played, where u know no matter what u do, u ll lose ? The change of 5:0 quorum meant only one thing, the reds will win cause during early hours NOONE, ever flies in adw, apart from TUS squad.

I'm really sorry, i just missed the start of campaign. I can't say anything about it. There was the reasons, of course. But i did mostly imppssible things to fly with my squad when i saw that victory is depending on whether i fly or not. It's no one fault that Tomsk United Squad can fly only from 15:00 to 21:00 MSK time. I can't change that. Neither i can change time finnish or argentinian pilots fly. If you read the russian part of forum - you will see that TUS pilots have never complaint about quorum numbers. We complained to administration that at a time when we CAN fly there is no blue pilots on server. Neither russian or english speaking. Main reason of your discontent (or typhoon's) is that quorum was changed without noticing english speaking part of forum. No one from TUS can be responsible for it. Let's return to figuring out what might be done to gain constant popularity of the server

[RodgeR]

and maybe partially the zet squad, getting benefited from it by bombing everything without the fear of getting shot down.

hmm...
Lady, pleas dont write this shit here more.
We fly when we can and want, we flying when quorum was 14/0, when 5/0, and flying now, why U can't do this to?
Yes, u right, we have fear of kicking your ass - so much tears.

[TUS_Ogly]

If you read the russian part of forum - you will see that TUS pilots have never complaint about quorum numbers. We complained to administration that at a time when we CAN fly there is no blue pilots on server.

Where in that sentence you see that we demanded change of quorum to 5:0, cobra? Whole your reply is based on wrong presumptions.
Please contact administration of project and stop blaming others.

[ABC]

ABC

but, if you are only a player here,why do you insist that blue should fight on here,if they feel its not worth it??

The same reason as yours here - no interest in playing without counterpart.

As for the quorum. As far as I know, reds complained it is hard to gather 14:0 quorum and asked to return good old 10:0. Admins had made 5:0, that caused a quite a sensitive flame here. Then admins had returned 10:0. I think they had finally handled their mistake here. That is my position.

Next post I will answer all this lines question, though it is more a holly war rather than anything else.

[ABC]

but if admins want to make this game equal and fun FOR BOTH SIDES,why dont they equal things on the ground also?
how can you compare Stuka with IL-2???????
is there a comparison?????
what would ANY of us like to fly as ground attack,Stuka or flying tank IL-2?
in which plane can we destroy MORE TARGETS?
NO EQUALITY HERE.

I will answer only this part, because I am not a fighter. For the fighter's reserve I have only one thought - when I fly red side I think why blues have such a cheating reserve, when I fly blue - my thoughts are going in reverse - red's reserve is a cheat.

But if we go in comparison of Stuka and IL-2 we have to remember, that one plane is better in destroying tank columns, while other is better in warehouse destruction. From my experience it is easier to survive in Stuka, destroying warehouses and trains. Plus to this, Stuka gives more damage to this targets. But we have virtually no chances above tanks columns in Stuka comparing to IL, I should admit. I think in this manner bomber's reserve is quite balanced for the moment and we should use their best sides and features.

The problem is that blue side has no close equality in destroying tanks at all, not in reserve. The Bf-110 is good, but requires far more experienced pilots than IL does. Hs is ... hmm... you know it. Ju-87G - too specialised in one thing and too slow. What else can destroy more that two tanks?.. Oh, Ju-88, yes. A great tank destroyer and quite easy to handle.

There were plans to create a separate aircraft type - attack planes. May be this (and modded planes) would balance lines even more, I don't know. And I don't know whether this plans will ever see life.

Post your suggestion and if they were discussed - we will explain why they will not go, if they arose earlier. If they are original and potentially good - admins will see them. No use of just complaining - we should suggest something to fix problems, not to just mark them.

[Sam]

Why don't you compare i-153 VS Stuka and Il-2 Vs Me-210, though they are flying at the same periods of war. Instead of it you compare il-2, which is not presented on the first maps, with early Stuka. Of course il-2 has several advantages, but there aren't Il-2's on the first maps.

[SG44Gelbe14EU]

Hi admins

ABC wrote:

But if we go in comparison of Stuka and IL-2 we have to remember, that one plane is better in destroying tank columns, while other is better in warehouse destruction. From my experience it is easier to survive in Stuka, destroying warehouses and trains. Plus to this, Stuka gives more damage to this targets. But we have virtually no chances above tanks columns in Stuka comparing to IL, I should admit. I think in this manner bomber's reserve is quite balanced for the moment and we should use their best sides and features.


yes yes you are right, this is the problem, i see you know the facts (Il2-Stuka) but why you destroy now this small adventage for Stuka?? No more Supply-ships, very less trains and empty depots how reds can go forward so strong????
Yes Yes its easy we bring the supply only with convois and arround ? mass of ZSU and now we are back by il2 and Stuka.
(by the way Ju87 B goes 390 km/h and the Ju87 D1-8 between 402 and 408 km/h)

SG44_

[335th_GRTyphoon]

Zet Rodger,absolute no respect for calling a fellow pilot LADY,just cause he has a different opinion that you.
now,i would like to explain it to your 12-year old brain,but its not worth it... good night kid.....

TUS SAM
IL-2's absence in the first 5 maps,is more than compensated in the next 10 maps.
plus,try to shoot a I-15bis (flying butterfly ) down....
and if it drops its bombs,what do you have?????
Taraaaaa .....one fighter more........
what do you have if Stuka drops bombs?????
Taraaaaa......one more reds target......
see any red advantage here?


ABC
you wrote:"......Post your suggestion and if they were discussed - we will explain why they will not go, if they arose earlier. If they are original and potentially good - admins will see them. No use of just complaining - we should suggest something to fix problems, not to just mark them......"

shall i give you all the links i posted ideas and problems?
complaining came AFTER ignoring my ideas and thoughts...

about Stuka vs IL-2,c'mon guys,lets not hide behind our finger,every reasonable bomber pilot would prefer IL over stuka....and its not only about specialized capabilities as you point out ABC,its about speed also,about toughness and armor,its about IL's shooting down enemy fighters and bombers cause of the heavy 23mm guns ,its about heavier 12mm rear gunner on later series,jeeeez,i could go on whole day with it.........you as a bomber as you said,should know better.......
and i dont think that IL is worst than stuka in attacking trains.heavy guns with small bombs or rockets together with ILs ability to absorb damage do exactlly the same damage on soft target like train wagons.
plus,if stuka has advantage in destroying buildings,then why is it striped of its (ONLY) advantage,the 1000kg bomb??
what about what Gelbe14EU says?
no more hard targets like ships......
no more big difference in destroying depots......
more ZSU37 which are especially good against SLOW planes.....

why are all those above arguments "wholy war" and not justified complains?

and about Ju-88,
yes,agree,very good tank destroyer,but....
do you know many pilots who are risking to go deck with their best strategic bomber,into heavy defended area, and dragging their 109 escorts low (LUFTWAFFE FIGHTERS=LOW DOGFIGHT=SLOW=DEAD)...??????

its a good conversation we have, but pls post your thoughts about G-2 as reserve also,and about blue side having G-2 cut down (either by not including it to reserves or by forcing it to fly only with gunpods....)one of their best planes,cause it is soooo feared by red pilots.


and i write once more......


and allways remember 2 things....
1.Luftwaffe's best planes flew 1942-1943,while russian best planes flew 1944-1945.
if you cut capabilities or planes of 1942-1943 (G-2 with gunpods,no mk-108,no G-2 reserve),you cut the ONLY PLANES WHO GAVE ADVANTAGE TO BLUE IN THE WHOLE WAR.
if you DONT cut planes or planes capabilities from russian planes best period 44-45,then THERE IS NO EQUALITY......

2.ADW is mostly won ON THE GROUND,that means LOW,and we all know what LOW means for blue planes......anyone not recognizing this is either a noob or ignorant.

if i cant get you guys to understand those BASIC things,then i think you are not willing to flip the coin and look at the other side of it...

Typhoon out