10th War. Bugs.

[*DZR*Chimanov]

Not bug at all. Blue squads are not organized; I remember recent Kursk 43' map; as one very interesting; red tanks advancing and almost NONE trying to stop them, just a few Ju87 with no escort.

I wasn´t here last ADW, so i can´t say anything about it; but regarding ADW9; a lot of FW mania waiting for bombers above their airfields or trains; which gives them kills and stats, but do nothing for the map.

Also many blue pilots in FW, waiting at 7k or more, for distracted red fighters/bombers, as in any HL server...not good for their side here.

Blue side has not well organized pilots/squads. This is the reason why they not succeed.

[+FA+Catfish]

Not bug at all. Blue squads are not organized; I remember recent Kursk 43' map; as one very interesting; red tanks advancing and almost NONE trying to stop them, just a few Ju87 with no escort.

I wasn´t here last ADW, so i can´t say anything about it; but regarding ADW9; a lot of FW mania waiting for bombers above their airfields or trains; which gives them kills and stats, but do nothing for the map.

Also many blue pilots in FW, waiting at 7k or more, for distracted red fighters/bombers, as in any HL server...not good for their side here.

Blue side has not well organized pilots/squads. This is tje reason why they not succeed.

No bugs? Blind cant see.

[*DZR*Chimanov]

[335th_GRTyphoon]

i think that all opinions are true here.

Yes,blue fly unorganized,without leaders.
not many skilled bombersquads flying blue,ADW IS WON BY BOMBERS
many many rookie blue pilots and squads participating for the first time in ADW
too many blue dogfighters,looking only for kills or...
too many blue pilots not flying defence at all,afraid to get KIA staying away from defence of tanks or stukas at low alt...
last ADW mostly LeLv and ID squads (and others too) organized well performed hits with clever tactics and good escorts.almost every blue bomber had a target assigned,with escort many times,chat was full of incoming reports about trains,bandits,target locations etc etc.
now you just read "...blue lost one plane...",nobody asks for escort or says where hes going,or reports bandits.
thats why i say that last ADW was EPIC,the best one i have ever participated so far.no wonder we won maps which blue side had NEVER won before...

about ADW concept,rules,planeset my opinion is crystal clear.
YES there are bugs,YES there are more things in favor of red side than for blue.
of course a red fighter couldnt understand it unless he flew blue before and many would disagree,but dialog is allways usefull and i will try to talk with facts rather than accusations,same should red pilots do if they disagree.
beggining from planeset i wont talk much about open-cockpit I-16s flying at 7k ( ,immortal pilots or just wearing nasa-suits?),...
...or G-2s restricted with gunpods(really is there any restriction about La-5 FNs ),...
...or red AF with german AAA and red train with coellians.
wanna talk about ground attack planes?A single IL-2 armored plane-tank can wipe a whole tank column out with bombs,rockets and heavy guns while taking multiple hits(try to bring it down with F-2 ,even a 2-3 fighters cant shoot them down,we all have seen that a lot of times,ILs just ignore 20mm,they are just like johnny walker,they keep going...),the same time early-war stuka has one drop (2 max late war) to destroy one tank and usually goes down after a few hits( ),or...
... Mk-108 restrictions(this one i NEVER understood,why give a weapon restriction on 30mm when:1.red side has equal or heavier guns,see 37 or 45mm, 2.the plane that caries MK108 will have the disadvantage of becoming too heavy...).maybe almost every blue rookie could score a kill in a lame G-6 BnZ-ing and thats bad for red side isnt it? .
...AND BY THE WAY,WHY IS 109 G-2 NOT AS RESERVE PLANE EVEN IN A SINGLE 44 MAP INSTEAD OF 109s G-6?? i give you the "reserve" planeset of blue side and ask every red player if he would prefer it...:
Emils as reserve early war,logical and ok,but then...
1.the "deadly"109 F-2 with 15mm pea shooter from kuban 42,stalingrad42,winter stalingrad 42,kursk 43 (not even 1943 can blue fly with 1941 F-4).F-2 is not a bad plane at all,but in ADW where you got only a few shots or seconds to get a kill before 20 enemies jump all over you,1 15mm is just rediculous and flying as reserve for 4 maps till 43 is waaay too much...
2.109 F-4 from prokhorovka 43,kuban 43
3.ooops we missed the 109 G-2,didnt we (allthough its a 1942 plane,but i guess no red wants it as reserve right?) .we jump to G-6 at crimea 44,smolensk 44,lvov 44.and for everybody saying the russian equivalent LA-5 is not reserve either,i say that i would prefer 1000 times to fight a reserve LA-5 (or even LA-5F ) in a reserve 109-G2,than a reserve Yak-9D in a reserve 109 G-6 as we do now...

Planeset does not exclusively decide the outcome of a war,pilot quality and organized squads do,but it certainly gives advantage to the one or the other side.

enough about plane details,i know that red pilots could write a few opinions of their own,AND MAYBE THEY ARE RIGHT TOO,...BUT...,the main thing here is that an average or rookie red pilot flying I-16,yak-1,yak-9,La-5,most times has an easier job than the average or rookie blue pilot flying Emil,109-F2,109 G-6.(of course there are late Focke too but there are also Yak-3 and LA-7...)and i only talk about rookie or average pilots which are more than 70% in every war i guess.a experienced pilot could turn an Emil into a deadly machine reds cant catch but thats exactly my point,you have to be good to fly german planes safe AND efficient.no offence for red players,i DONT say they arent good,they are the best red players in every online war,most are experts in this kind of war,and i know very well the advantages of Early 109s and Fockes(for the first half of the war,late war is a different story...),every red must be frustrated not beeing able to catch a diving-away 109 allthough he beat him in air combat,but you guys have to give me credit for this,its not that difficult if you are a medium experienced red pilot,to defeat a medium experienced blue pilot in a 109 or a focke without energy at low alt or deck...and we all know that sooner or later the fight comes down to low alt if you want to attack tanks or cover stukas,where the maps are won,thats the keypoint here.really if a red experienced pilot sees an Emil-vs-I16 or G6-vs-yak or focke-vs-La to fly and stay low or deck for defence,does he think his opponent is good and experienced or brave and dumm??? and im proven right on my argument by the out come of this ADW,where not many are willing to risk planes and KIA...thats exactly the reason blue cant win any map in ADW by HQ capture(which means supporting tanks low...) but only by closing AFs from high alt with bombers or destroying resources.

on the other side,i know that if the server would be in germany and the main players community were germans,things maybe would have favored blue side,i dont know

anyway,a top ADW bomber pilot said to me about ADW:"it just takes too much time and energy to win ADW when you are flying blue bomber".thats why many top bomber squads dont fly this war.
if ADW admins want to see competitive future ADW wars and not parody like this one they may want to think about this.

S!


P.S.:i still wait on answer about daylight bomber generals and change of damage calculation when only few pilots with quorum are flying

[I./NJG6_HeTzeR]

Typhoon, brilliant

QUESTION TO ADMINS:

I think MANY or all blue Pilots wouldnt be arguing if you would make just a litte bit more real.
For example, I often hear: Yepp the Blues dont get supply here in this map because they didnt get any in real war.
Ok many of this statemens are spoken out and here is my question: If you make rules like THIS, then make it fair and real and give the Red AF red AAA and red Trains and Depots Red AAA!

German ones Blue AAA.

Now many of you will say NOO then the red trains wont have any Cover blabla Bullshit!
I fly a lot of Bombersorties this war and I know, that the red Coulums, where a ZSU 37 is, are deadly! Flying along the Coloumn, 1km away BOOM wing of, happens often.
So give us not only the 20mm but also the Flak 38 on cars etc. It would be much more fun if you dont see Blue Fire over red trains etc.
And of course the red trains can have ZSU 37 or later the M16 AAA it would be same efficent and would just be real
We habe MANY of AAAs in this game, so USE THEM! just use them.

BTW. MK108 shouldnt be restriced like Typhoon said
And cause somebody said I should attack Depots blabla
I tell you something, We fly bombers every day, we are 3 Squads at every evening and when we attacking tanks we often destroy a Fielddepot completely!
But then, sometimes (magic) a field depot is empty, OK, but the destroyed tanks are stil lmoving forward...hmm thats weird cause the blue tanks wont move....
And why can one single russian tank, take several Af´s and 20 km of Ground (moscow winter), when 20 of red tanks are destroyed and the tanks supply coloumn is dead too? These are the "bugs" you all know but wont fix cause yeah, how to win it right?


Greetings

[I./NJG6_HeTzeR]

BUG: If a Pilot is heavy wounded he usually get the Black wounded Medal, ok!
BUT since 2 ADW Wars, i get this little black medal on and on and on but cant give it to anyone! Because they all have it!
Its a bug wich should be fixed


Thx

Greetings HeTzeR

[RedEye_Tumu]

of curse red side have another point of view...

On first maps emil can fly whit 4 bombs and nice 2 cannon 20 mm... I fly on blue side this competition, its really easy take necesary points for select planetset on first maps... on same time reds fly whit mosca , only 2 bombs and cant kill tanks whit cannon....
never lisent red pilot talk about planetset.... flying blue side i have necesary points on few missions... flying red its very dificult.
I think more squads usually fly blue an fly some time red can understand better.

Blues have great weapons, more fast, more firepower, more dive speed.... enought for win maps.

Last edition reds have superiority and win, but in others editions blue are indiscutible winners.

I think better its no speak nothing about planetsets and imaginary bugs and simply fly well as you can for win maps.

[ghtmatrix]

hey guys whats up!!!! ???

http://www.adw.alkar.net/en/sortie/2610/2483/index.html

i bail out 3 minutes before in friendly territory, wait 5 secunds and do refly!!

any minutes after i will kicked... and lose my 6 KILL streak!!!!

admins plx remove that!! i think its bug!!!
i lose 6 air kill, receive 1 death... i feel sad for this...

[-=RedS=-Jag]

hey guys whats up!!!! ???

http://www.adw.alkar.net/en/sortie/2610/2483/index.html

i bail out 3 minutes before in friendly territory, wait 5 secunds and do refly!!

any minutes after i will kicked... and lose my 6 KILL streak!!!!

admins plx remove that!! i think its bug!!!
i lose 6 air kill, receive 1 death... i feel sad for this...

After the jump, you must go to the briefing and then disconnect from the server and then connect.
Your jumper after menu and a new take-off was hanging and he was killed.

[ghtmatrix]

is possible remove this death???


because i dont died, and 1+ death`s really bad to us =(

[-=RedS=-Jag]

is possible remove this death???

Not possible.

[Otto]

I was taking off G13, saw message that "=HM=Portoss left after damaged by LeLv8_Otto" then got message that you cannot fly from this field and got kicked. We had planes and G13 had resources so no idea why got kicked - maybe bug?

http://www.adw.alkar.net/en/sortie/2540/3987/index.html

EDIT: I see I have 35 warning points so maybe that kick was because of that even though I didn't see any collision

[ABC]

is possible remove this death???


because i dont died, and 1+ death`s really bad to us =(

It is a bug of IL-2 game and it's way to write logs. It's described in almost all FAQ's of dogfight-based projects.

When you press 'new attempt' button and then 'fly' your bailed out pilot still exists in the game. If he dies (being shot down or landing on a forest i.e.) the log writes something like 'ghtmatrix:aircraft(position) was killed at x,y'. You can get this message in a battle (being taken off this moment already and having a fight) as well so there is no way to filter this message.

As a result - you're kicked and stats write down a death and you loose streak as a result. Nothing to do here except exiting the server after bailout.

So after bail out wait about ten seconds hit 'new attempt', then hit 'exit' and reconnect to server. Then your bailed out pilot will disappear and you are safe.

[Aleki]

Hello Admins,
why the blue side is always in retreat, although more red tanks planes and supplies will be destroyed? I can not Understand the result of empty tank depots wedges.

Greeting Aleki

[335th_GRTyphoon]

this is getting annoying now......
right now (19.00 GMT+2) airfield AM12 is taken over by red side.next mission and red tanks are right beside AM12 AF.
all blue scramble to bomb enemy tanks....and.....SURPRISE SURPRISE.......AM12,allthough freshly taken over by red side fires with FULL AAA!!!!!
these bugs must be eliminated or else blues are right to say that they fight against server too.....