Suggestion For Next Air Domination War

[ABC]

about Stuka vs IL-2,c'mon guys,lets not hide behind our finger,every reasonable bomber pilot would prefer IL over stuka....and its not only about specialized capabilities as you point out ABC,its about speed also,about toughness and armor,its about IL's shooting down enemy fighters and bombers cause of the heavy 23mm guns ,its about heavier 12mm rear gunner on later series,jeeeez,i could go on whole day with it.........you as a bomber as you said,should know better.......

I not quite reasonable, perhaps. My experience says single Stuka has more chances to survive and more potentially useful targets for a mission, than single IL has. In group they are almost equal there. We can experiment here, if you wish.

BTW, let's speak calm - I think this way we have more chance to find the decision. Hate this flames and so on, you know.

and i dont think that IL is worst than stuka in attacking trains.heavy guns with small bombs or rockets together with ILs ability to absorb damage do exactlly the same damage on soft target like train wagons.

Not for ADW, though. Coelian makes no differences here, except that it's not so sharp at shooting at high angles what gives Stukas a real chance to drop the bomb and fly away. IL has good chances to survive till the attack, but then you must run away and that is what makes difficulty. You can try. Take 10 attacks for each side and this will give you idea.

plus,if stuka has advantage in destroying buildings,then why is it striped of its (ONLY) advantage,the 1000kg bomb??
what about what Gelbe14EU says?

1 000kg bomb gives too large advantage. 4 Stukas to wipe out the warehouse? Too good for reserve, isn't it? This is the same reason why IL has no rockets there.

no more hard targets like ships......
no more big difference in destroying depots......
more ZSU37 which are especially good against SLOW planes.....

1. Bug. Should be checked by admins.
2. Is it? Never thought about it. Let's experiment here.
3. Yes they are good against slow planes. But is there more ZSUs comparing to earlier wars? I think, blues need more teamplay at destroying the columns especially comparing to reds. Stuka is not good here, but you have more fighter-bombers that could help.

2.ADW is mostly won ON THE GROUND,that means LOW,and we all know what LOW means for blue planes......anyone not recognizing this is either a noob or ignorant.
Typhoon out

I don't remember your suggestions, sorry. What you suggest to balance things? The keyword is balance not equality or something else.

BTW, we've won the war as the blue side, I know it is more difficult than for the reds.

P.S. I will study the blues fighter lines and will answer about G-2 later. Maybe even tomorrow, sorry.

[-=RedS=-Jag]

Hi admins
yes yes you are right, this is the problem, i see you know the facts (Il2-Stuka) but why you destroy now this small adventage for Stuka?? No more Supply-ships, very less trains and empty depots how reds can go forward so strong????
Yes Yes its easy we bring the supply only with convois and arround ? mass of ZSU and now we are back by il2 and Stuka.
(by the way Ju87 B goes 390 km/h and the Ju87 D1-8 between 402 and 408 km/h)
SG44_

In this war we have Supply-ships!!! But we fix old bug with moves tanks! And after that tank spend very many resource!

Guys! Don't panic plz! Yes now we have new bug with aircraft lines! But we fixed him a new war!

[335th_GRTyphoon]

BTW, we've won the war as the blue side, I know it is more difficult than for the reds.

Thank You.

In other words,its all i ever wanted to say.
all previous posts (sry for the irony sometimes) just tried to explain WHY.


BTW,

and i dont think that IL is worst than stuka in attacking trains.heavy guns with small bombs or rockets together with ILs ability to absorb damage do exactlly the same damage on soft target like train wagons.

Not for ADW, though. Coelian makes no differences here, except that it's not so sharp at shooting at high angles what gives Stukas a real chance to drop the bomb and fly away. IL has good chances to survive till the attack, but then you must run away and that is what makes difficulty. You can try. Take 10 attacks for each side and this will give you idea.

more ZSU37 which are especially good against SLOW planes.....

1. Bug. Should be checked by admins.
2. Is it? Never thought about it. Let's experiment here.
3. Yes they are good against slow planes. But is there more ZSUs comparing to earlier wars? I think, blues need more teamplay at destroying the columns especially comparing to reds. Stuka is not good here, but you have more fighter-bombers that could help.

1.....and why exactlly is it forbidden for IL-2 to do just the same tactic??? (diving-release bombs-strafing with 23mm-fly away with speed).I've tried it allready.maybe red IL pilots are too lazy (or maybe to confident and arrogant)to get altitude?

2....Why exactlly have we got more fighter bombers?? haven't reds got fighter-bombers that carry bombs AND heavy (37mm-45mm) guns?

listen,we could go on all day with this,it makes me really tired and feeling stupid,like i have to apologize for my opinion.




P.S: in order,as you say,to suggest something about ADW,one has to get the feeling that his opinion is discussed,waged and talked about.
The only time my name was discussed in this forum was for sanctions against me cause of a disco accusation of a red player,and not about my suggestions,and if you read the UN-willingness of red players (and admins-my personal opinion) to change ANYTHING in favor of blue side,cause reds might loose their easy ADW-victories (what more proof than rediculous rule about LESS POINTS FOR BLUE VICTORY IN 3 MAPS OF THE GAME cause.......BLUE SHOULD NORMALLY(!!!!)LOOSE THOSE MAPS),plus the influence of red (russian) player community (cause of their larger numbers of course,and nationality...) to (russian) ADW makers in general,then someone knows that any opinion about change,or BALANCE as you right said,will be met by red side with great negativity.Only way out of this,is what blue community is allready doing,boykott the game.
thats my personal opinion (not only mine of course),and if you take a look at russian speaking forum,and about reactions of (most,not all) red players to everything that blues want to change (or balance),.......well,i think you know what i want to say......
even now,playing alone against no enemies,they didnt get the message....


S~

[ABC]

P.S: in order,as you say,to suggest something about ADW,one has to get the feeling that his opinion is discussed,waged and talked about.
The only time my name was discussed in this forum was for sanctions against me cause of a disco accusation of a red player,and not about my suggestions,and if you read the UN-willingness of red players (and admins-my personal opinion) to change ANYTHING in favor of blue side,cause reds might loose their easy ADW-victories (what more proof than rediculous rule about LESS POINTS FOR BLUE VICTORY IN 3 MAPS OF THE GAME cause.......BLUE SHOULD NORMALLY(!!!!)LOOSE THOSE MAPS),plus the influence of red (russian) player community (cause of their larger numbers of course,and nationality...) to (russian) ADW makers in general,then someone knows that any opinion about change,or BALANCE as you right said,will be met by red side with great negativity.Only way out of this,is what blue community is allready doing,boykott the game.
S~

That is simply not true. Less points for victory in 3 maps are not only for blues, but for the both sides. Because of the bugs there, one side (don't really remember which one) can not (couldn't ?) win by moving tanks to the counterpart's headquarters. So, for winning these maps both sides are always awarded fixed points. You've got something wrong here, Typhoon?

I think, many of us are interested in balancing sides. BTW, many russian speaking guys are flying only blue side while most of us fly both. For example, Karl_Bartz always flies blue crafts on ADW, 72nd AG, 2nd GvSHAD, RFF, 159th BAG are flying both sides. Almost everyone is interested in balance here, the problem is that everyone sees balance his way. We have some misunderstanding here, nothing more. Please, repeat you propositions once again, I want to see them.

P.S. And there is one more thing here - last war some bugs were fixed that issued the tanks movement. This caused great disbalance, because the balance was polished and set to the situation when tanks are not moving as they should. Next war it will be fixed, I hope.

[-=RedS=-Jag]

but if You want get ADW more popular - work on it.

We have same problem with this! Becouse softwere ADW very special, and we have only one men who know them.
But we work! This war managed to fix the tank! And it was very old and not a pleasant bug.

Update rules and FAQ in english to let nonrussians speaking players know HOW this server works.

Ok we check them...

1. Update rules in english.
2. Post lines of aircrafts depending on each maps
3. Add Bf-109 G2 as a reserve plane in later maps instead Bf-109G6 - or explain why admins can not do it.
4. Less AAA on car and tanks columns, more AAA over Depots, Train and Airfields
5. Try to solve existing bugs (with plaeset lines, etc, etc ...)
6. Post number of points which each side can get by wining each map
(I saw Crimea was won by blue by "resources destroyed" - 17 points, but when reds won Balaton map by"resources destroyed" - they got 34 points).

2. This is not possible. Aircraftline - very big secret!
3. This is very difficult question, becose many experienced people think about aircraft line to us.
4. I offered to increase the number of AAA on the field and Depots, but this proposal was not supported, still need to fight with the pilots.
5. We wokr it.
6. All maps have 20 point a maximum than Balaton and Berlin they have - 40 point a maximum!

WBR, -=RedS=-Jag

P.S. Sorry for my bad English.

[rmb]

3. Add Bf-109 G2 as a reserve plane in later maps instead Bf-109G6 - or explain why admins can not do it.

because reserve planes must be BAD;

[rmb]

6. All maps have 20 point a maximum than Balaton and Berlin they have - 40 point a maximum.

need like that:

Lviv:

1. kill resurces - ? point
2. tank columns win - ? point
3. kill all planes - ? point

Smolensk
...
Balaton
Berlin

[335th_GRTyphoon]

3. Add Bf-109 G2 as a reserve plane in later maps instead Bf-109G6 - or explain why admins can not do it.

because reserve planes must be BAD;

RMB

sooo,I-16 type28 U.F.O. as reserve in first maps is BAD?
....and 1942 G-2 against 1945 La-7 and YAK-3 is.......good??



with YAK9-D at least you can put up a decent fight red ace,with 109 G-6 the only thing you can do is shoot once and runaway.....


Anyway,here are my proposals,besides what Yarpen allready wrote:

RESERVE PLANESET

1. if reds fear so much G-2,then change reserve immediately to BF 109-G6 LATE version at Crimea-44,Smolensk-44,Lvov-44.allmost same aircraft,but now we should be at least able to see at our 6o' and see the guy who shoots us down ....
....AND change reserve to 109 G-6/AS on last 2 maps,Balaton and Berlin

2.if reserve should be really bad,it should be for EVERYONE.change smolensk red reserve I-16 from type28 to type18. (type28 U.F.O. is bad????what a joke... ).i know many red pilots who prefer it over MAIN planes!!admins,wake up on this one......

3.No more restrictions to 109-G2 to fly only with gunpods.

4.ANY restrictions to LA5-FN??

5.1942's JU-87 D-5 with 20mm cannons as reserve earlier selectable,lets say from Prokhorovka-43...(reds got IL's for God sake... )

6.No more restrictions to Mk-108 30mm gun.

QUORUM

1.no more any type of quorum under 10:0

2.damage to supplies counts HALF if LESS THAN 15 players in server.more than 15,damage counts NORMAL.

3.if you can not do the above,is it possible that with LESS THAN 15 players all heavy bombs on both sides should be restricted?

thats if for,now,if i got any more ideas i'll post them here.

Anyone from admins reading this????

[335th_GRTyphoon]

3. Add Bf-109 G2 as a reserve plane in later maps instead Bf-109G6 - or explain why admins can not do it.

because reserve planes must be BAD;

Do u realy think so?
Then reds must have LaGG (with the locked cannons) as a reserve plane till the end of 43 year. Like it was in reality

+1

[-=RedS=-Jag]

3. Add Bf-109 G2 as a reserve plane in later maps instead Bf-109G6 - or explain why admins can not do it.

:lol:
because reserve planes must be BAD;

RMB
sooo,I-16 type28 U.F.O. in first maps is BAD???
....and 1942 G-2 against 1945 La-7 and YAK-3 is.......good??

Guys please think in the beginning and then write!
In ADW we have two type aircraft - reserve and basis!
And if you compare these types for each map you will see that the reserve is always worse than the basis!

Also if the pilot is the La-7 at Lake Balaton, before he flew on an airplane that would be bad and then fly to the good. All lines are designed so that during periods of war is bad and then good airplanes. Regardless of the color of hand!

RESERVE PLANESET
2.if reserve should be really bad,it should be for EVERYONE.change smolensk red reserve I-16 from type28 to type18. (type28 U.F.O. is bad????what a joke... ).i know many red pilots who prefer it over MAIN planes!!admins,wake up on this one......

In the first three maps in reserve red I-16 type 18!

Regarding the aircraft lines say the last time - they worked for years a very experienced pilots to us! To radically change they will not!
How many people, so many opinions, all you will please!

1.no more any type of quorum under 10:0
2.damage to supplies counts HALF if LESS THAN 15 players in server.more than 15,damage counts NORMAL.
3.if you can not do the above,is it possible that with LESS THAN 15 players all heavy bombs on both sides should be restricted?
thats if for,now,if i got any more ideas i'll post them here.
Anyone from admins reading this????

This idea very old but our server has name - Air Domination War! Who have domination - they have win!

WBR, -=RedS=-Jag

[335th_GRTyphoon]

RMB
sooo,I-16 type28 U.F.O. in first maps is BAD???
....and 1942 G-2 against 1945 La-7 and YAK-3 is.......good??

Guys please think in the beginning and then write!
In ADW we have two type aircraft - reserve and basis!
And if you compare these types for each map you will see that the reserve is always worse than the basis!

RESERVE PLANESET
2.if reserve should be really bad,it should be for EVERYONE.change smolensk red reserve I-16 from type28 to type18. (type28 U.F.O. is bad????what a joke... ).i know many red pilots who prefer it over MAIN planes!!admins,wake up on this one......

In the first three maps in reserve red I-16 type 18!

Regarding the aircraft lines say the last time - they worked for years a very experienced pilots to us! To radically change they will not!
How many people, so many opinions, all you will please!




WBR, -=RedS=-Jag

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so,I-16 type28 is worst than Yak-1??
question is not only worst or not,but also,HOW MUCH WORST


what you dont understand is that some aircraft are simply not suited for ADW.so,by giving 109 F-2 for 4(!!!) maps as reserve untill recently is not balanced.
thats why you changed it with E-7,but only AFTER we had to make a big conversation about it.



if you are against RADICALL changes,then why the RADICALL change in quorum when red side asked for it?????????????????????????
thats the problem,you have an open ear for red side,while beeing sceptical with blue side.
you rely on your "very experienced pilots" and ignore the biggest part of blue community like we are some sort of noobs?
or do you think that "very experienced" pilots do not exist amongst blue side,and we only care about our stats?
no,if i would care only about my stats and not about your game,i wouldnt be arguing for 2 weeks with you guys.
there are plenty of online wars out there,believe me,and my squadron allready participates in some of them.
i really want to you to make this project better,so that BOTH sides are satisfied.
but if you keep ignoring,then this project will go down.

[-=RedS=-Jag]

Guys please - read carefully!
We have 2 types of lines! TWO! Reserve and the base!
Reserve for each map is always worse than a basis!
Under this provision correctly compare reserve\reserve or base\base!

I repeat - in the first three cards for the reds in reserve I-16 Type18!
In blue on the same card in reserve - BF-109E7Z!

The reds have a basis: Yak-1, MiG-3, MiG-3ud, LaGG-4series4, I-16 Type24
In the blue in the basis of: Bf-109E4, Bf-109F2, Bf-109F4, IAR-81a, IAR-81c.
Somebody sees a problem here? It is understandable that many people will immediately want to Bf-109G2 =)))

As I wrote above - maybe this rule is for red, but I'm 100% sure that rule isn't for blue. G6 or G6Late is better that G2 ?? Ask any single blue pilots which plane he want to fly G2 or G6 ? I'm sure what answer You will get.

I'm undestand you! But why then do not ask for a red seat Yak-9D - La-5F? =))

Reserve in the later maps have not changed for a long time and do it no one will.
Do not economize their conditions better.

if you are against RADICALL changes,then why the RADICALL change in quorum when red side asked for it?????

No reds have so requested, I really do not know where you get it.
A quorum was put me in this because long time could not dial the appropriate number of pilots and I thought it must reduce its important that the war would finally go. Perhaps it was a mistake - but its effect is exactly given, the war went.

WBR, -=RedS=-Jag

[-=RedS=-Jag]

It pointless Typhoon ...
They won't change anything.

LOL!
Do you even read what I write?

You want Bf-109G2 in reserve? Maybe once Fw-190D-9?

Well, suppose we put a blue Bf-109G2, what next?
The reds want to La-5, we give them that this plane?

I repeat - line did not change in 3-4 years and to make such changes do not see the point!
Why red do not want to remove the Crimea Bf-109F4 41? For there they too hard!

In general, do not see the point of wrangling on this point. If you have any reasonable and sensible proposals - Welcome!

WBR, -=RedS=-Jag

[335th_GRTyphoon]

It pointless Typhoon ...
They won't change anything.

LOL!
Do you even read what I write?

I repeat - in the first three cards for the reds in reserve I-16 Type18!
In blue on the same card in reserve - BF-109E7Z!



Why red do not want to remove the Crimea Bf-109F4 41? For there they too hard!

Yarpen wrote:
As I wrote above - maybe this rule is for red, but I'm 100% sure that rule isn't for blue. G6 or G6Late is better that G2 ?? Ask any single blue pilots which plane he want to fly G2 or G6 ? I'm sure what answer You will get.

I'm undestand you! But why then do not ask for a red seat Yak-9D - La-5F? =))



In general, do not see the point of wrangling on this point. If you have any reasonable and sensible proposals - Welcome!

WBR, -=RedS=-Jag

1. seems to me you dont even know the correct reserve planeset.
im pretty sure that i fly with E-4/B in first maps,and i think im pretty sure i saw I-16 type28 from second map....

2. poor reds,they fight against F-4 in crimea?
unacceptable.
remove F-4 NOW and leave blue side ONLY with F-2.
And with only 20 cannon shells from 15mm super-gun to scratch paint from Yaks and Migs.

3. you got it right on this one:1942 G-2 as reserve and reds get La-5.
i bet you whatever you want that every blue prefers to fight a 1942 La5(or even 1943 La-5F! ) in a 1942 G-2,than fight a 1943 Yak-9D in a 1943 G-6.
blue get a better reseve and red get better reserve,and both are 1942 planes.
just like it was in reality.
you just gave the solution.
But...let me guess.....reds dont want to fly against 1942 reserve G-2 (or Base WITH gunpods) even in a 1943 reserve plane ......
Hell,if they could get Oleg to completely remove G-2 from all servers and online wars,they would have allready done it.
you allready thought and wrote twice like a typicall red pilot,afraid of F-4,afraid of G-2,etc etc.
thats exactlly the reason reds dont complain much about planeset.
why should they?
one of blues best plane is restricted to fly with gunpods(base planeset) or not fly at all (reserve),so they get rid of a big pain in the ass.
instead blues get to flight with crappy G-6.
i wonder,IN ALL SERVERS you ever played dear REDS JAG,dogfight or online wars,how many pilots choosing G-6 have you seen?
None?
theres a reason for it.
ask your "experienced" test pilots.
plus,reds get to fly all their little toys,La5-FN,La-7,Yak-3,without any restrictions.WHY?can please anyone answer that?why make main G-2 heavy with gunpods and loosing the advantage in that period of maps,and leave red fighters late war having ALL the advantage?


Yarpen,i think you are right.
its hopeless.

REDS JAG
first you tell us to write our thoughts,and when we do you say there cant be changes on this,and there cant be changes on that,and reds dont complain about planeset (exactlly!!you asked yourself why?) and we dont touch planeset etc etc...

ok,my proposal then to solve blue problems in ADW:Change color of Navigation Lights in 109 from red-blue color to yellow-green color.
that would solve everything.
Reasonable enough for you?........

Regards.
Typhoon out.

[-=RedS=-Jag]

1. seems to me you dont even know the correct reserve planeset.
im pretty sure that i fly with E-4/B in first maps,and i think im pretty sure i saw I-16 type28 from second map....

Dear, 335th_GRTyphoon!
Plz READ my the message very carefully! =)

Guys please - read carefully!
We have 2 types of lines! TWO! Reserve and the base!
Reserve for each map is always worse than a basis!
Under this provision correctly compare reserve\reserve or base\base!
I repeat - in the first three cards for the reds in reserve I-16 Type18!
In blue on the same card in reserve - BF-109E7Z!

The reds have a basis: Yak-1, MiG-3, MiG-3ud, LaGG-4series4, I-16 Type24
In the blue in the basis of: Bf-109E4, Bf-109F2, Bf-109F4, IAR-81a, IAR-81c.

So of course you could meet I-16 Type24 to 1 or 2 maps, but they were planes basis!

I'm sorry that you are listening to only their arguments and not even read carefully what you write! = (
I would like to have a constructive dialogue with reasonable suggestions.
But you're behaving like children, oh we do not give Bf-109G2, what do we do?
It's no longer flying Bf-109F4 against Jak-1 and LaGG-4 series4...the horror!

But seriously, it is expected from you more than these petty squabbles to themselves to adding additional benefits. =(((

With regard, -=RedS=-Jag.