Suggestion For Next Air Domination War

Сообщение 335th_GRTyphoon » 04 сен 2010, 22:11

1. REDS JAG wrote:

"....I repeat - in the first three cards for the reds in reserve I-16 Type18!..."

AND

REDS JAG wrote:

"....So of course you could meet I-16 Type24 to 1 or 2 maps, but they were planes basis!..."

CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT IN FIRST 3 MAPS RESERVE IS I-16type18 AND WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT ON SECOND MAP (SMOLENSK) REDS GOT I-16 BASIS?

viewtopic.php?f=114&t=166801

if you are right,your forum needs some serious update.
and since i can not speak russian,please DONT BLAME ME for poor information to blue non-russian speaking players....

2. REDS JAG wrote:"...But you're behaving like children, oh we do not give Bf-109G2, what do we do?..."

Typhoon wrote:

"...RESERVE PLANESET
1. if reds fear so much G-2,then change reserve immediately to BF 109-G6 LATE version at Crimea-44,Smolensk-44,Lvov-44.allmost same aircraft,but now we should be at least able to see at our 6o' and see the guy who shoots us down :D....
....AND change reserve to 109 G-6/AS on last 2 maps,Balaton and Berlin ..."

3. REDS JAG wrote:"... I'm sorry that you are listening to only their arguments and not even read carefully what you write!..."

who has to read more carefully now Jag?


4. REDS JAG wrote:"...It's no longer flying Bf-109F4 against Jak-1 and LaGG-4 series4...the horror!..."

REDA JAG wrote:"...it is expected from you more than these petty squabbles..."

with this kind of irony and insults,it seems to me that you let the true red pilot inside of you speak out.....

5.you didnt answer about Nav lights.
you gonna change the color?
with all the respect to your Admin status but...,
i think its the only thing you are willing to change!

REGARDS

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Сообщение -=RedS=-Jag » 04 сен 2010, 22:50

335th_GRTyphoon, plz use button - Quote, very hard read this text, alsow plz write my nickename right - -=RedS=-Jag or just Jag, tnx a lot!

335th_GRTyphoon писал(а):CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT IN FIRST 3 MAPS RESERVE IS I-16type18 AND WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT ON SECOND MAP (SMOLENSK) REDS GOT I-16 BASIS?
viewtopic.php?f=114&t=166801
Look at up - my second message!
-=RedS=-Jag писал(а):
Yarpen писал(а):Update rules and FAQ in english to let nonrussians speaking players know HOW this server works.
Ok we check them...


335th_GRTyphoon писал(а):if you are right,your forum needs some serious update.
and since i can not speak russian,please DONT BLAME ME for poor information to blue non-russian speaking players....
Yes you very right! We need serious update...and I hope we do it!


335th_GRTyphoon писал(а):1. if reds fear so much G-2,then change reserve immediately to BF 109-G6 LATE version at Crimea-44,Smolensk-44,Lvov-44.allmost same aircraft,but now we should be at least able to see at our 6o' and see the guy who shoots us down :D....
....AND change reserve to 109 G-6/AS on last 2 maps,Balaton and Berlin ..."

3. REDS JAG wrote:"... I'm sorry that you are listening to only their arguments and not even read carefully what you write!..."
who has to read more carefully now Jag?
Now Bf-109G-6 use in reserve only 3 maps! In 2 last maps use Bf-109G-6/Late.
If I undestend you - you want change G6 to G6/Late, and G6/Late to G6/AS?
Well we will discuss this question!

335th_GRTyphoon писал(а):yes,let the true red pilot inside of you speak out.....
My freind, why are you doing this? Do you think this is a serious argument? :wink:
I'm can say the same about all that you suggest here, but this way to nowhere...

335th_GRTyphoon писал(а):5.you didnt answer about Nav lights.
you gonna change the color?
with all the respect to your Admin status but...,
i think its the only thing you are willing to change!
If I correctly understand that some MODS? If so then I think we can not do...=|

WBR, -=RedS=-Jag

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Сообщение -=RedS=-Jag » 05 сен 2010, 10:50

Yarpen писал(а):One time You are writing that admins won't change anything in planeset, cuz it was tested for 3-4 year, but in other hand You are thinking to replace G6 to G6Late ?So ... it is matter to not allow for blue to fly G2 at all.
I say - we think about because this change not critical for my opinion. But change G6 to G2 - more critical.

You see 2 kinds of aircraft is not just. The whole idea is that you should cherish basis! But if you put G2, then you have lost your FW well not scared to fly on G2, and fly on reserve should not be very advantageous in comparison with the base!
And do not breed here on the snot-ah as a red terribly from G2;)

Yarpen писал(а):As far I know in Crimea - reserve plane is E7 - not F4.
Yes.
-=RedS=-Jag писал(а):Under this provision correctly compare reserve\reserve or base\base!
I repeat - in the first three cards for the reds in reserve I-16 Type18!
In blue on the same maps in reserve - BF-109E7Z!


Yarpen писал(а):In my opinion - reserve (on red and blue) should be a plane earlier than we are flying now.
Example in blue side : F2 -> reserve E4, F4-> reserve F2, G2-> reserve F4, G6->reserve G2, G10 or G14->reserve G6, K4-> reserve G10.
You can do the same in red side.
How many people, so many opinions and as you know to please everyone is not possible.

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Сообщение -=RedS=-Jag » 05 сен 2010, 10:57

SG44_Superbob писал(а):Yarpen? G10 as Reserve? i was flying last maps G10 as basic. G10 is very good plane. G2 as reserve from G6? G2 is much better than G6. No no no Yarpen...
...
Only remove G6 as reserve and keep F4.
Dear, SG44_Superbob! Thx a lot for your common sense. Unfortunately a serious alternative to the G6 yet.
I understand tcho on this book hard to resist the basis of red, but we have here and not dogfight! Admit it is all about organization and solidarity!

As you noticed we have tried to enhance the blue storm, I hope that we did. I would like to hear your opinion on this matter.

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Сообщение 335th_GRTyphoon » 05 сен 2010, 16:49

SG44_Superbob писал(а):
-=RedS=-Jag писал(а):
As you noticed we have tried to enhance the blue storm, I hope that we did. I would like to hear your opinion on this matter.

WBR,-=RedS=-Jag


Just keep F4 as reserve and remove G6. No one wants G6 as reserve.- I really dont know players who want flying G6. Everybody is angry about this G6. Just remove it.

But nevertheless we still had no chance.

But you mentioned organization. Organization/organized players are the most important part of this game. Little red organisation is stronger than doubled or trippled quantity/quality of blue tank-columns.


Blue organzation often fails on fighters-pilots.
For example i sit in a hs129 and i ask 109er to escort me.
The 109er is answering: "No with my G6 i can not cover you low".
That is allways the same answer on ADW-Chat if i ask for help (1944-45)!!!

Some skilled fighters who could cover you low with G6 did not exist the last 2 wars on blue side.




Another important part of blue organisation:
We need a Player like "Destroyer" or a person like him, on Blue side who tells us what should be attacked and what not. Someone with experience and who is popular. Such a player did not exist the last 2 wars.


Actually,one of the best proposals written in this forum,is that of F-4 replacing G-6 reserve.
and if its not possible to do it untill the end of the war,F-4 could be reserve from Prokhorovka 43 untill Smolensk44 (Prokhorovka43-Kuban43-Crimea44-Smolensk44),and then last 3 maps,Lvov-Balaton-Berlin,G-6 Late.
It is really really really fair.
at least that would give Blue side the oportunity to assist Blue Stuka and Hs129 low,when they are needed,and blue players would not stay away from the game in last 3-4 or 5 maps.
Yes,as much as i would love to fly with G-2 either,maybe it would be a too good plane to fly as reserve,but 1941 F-4 is...Fair for BOTH sides.


what you say about cover low Superbob....
Yes it is true that only little pilots are willing to risk a dogfight low to assist Blue ground attack planes.
But please understand that this happens only due to the very poor Slow-and-Low performance of G-6.
How are you supposed to go low and fight when you know that in 1 minute from the beginning of the dogfight,a medium experienced red pilot with a Yak-9 will be on your 6o' redy to shoot at you?
and if you got no altitude to run away,you're dead.
Simple as that.
G-6,and that is the main reason why blue players DONT LIKE IT,is that in most cases 1vs1 you only got 1 or 2 shots maximum,then you got to dive away cause its hopeless to stay and fight.
remember one of the last missions,when you asked me for cover,with your Ju-88?
the only reason i could cover you was cause that P-39 we encountered went after you and not me,so i was able to go on his 6 and shoot him down.
if he had engaged me first,i would have not stand a chance at that low dogfight.
And yes,you are right,last wars blue side was not organized at all,plus not too many experienced blue bomber squadrons flew.

-=RedS=-Jag,
excuse my agressive previous posts,but you got to understand that simply ignoring blue side proposals and say in other words "its all good,planeset will not change",triggers negative emotions.And i think that,when trying to understand each other,we can come to a solution.I have to understand that G-2 is too good as reserve and there cant be too many changes,ok,but YOU also have to understand that G-6 is too bad as reserve either,replace it with something else and one of the bigest problems is solved.And if Admins think it would trigger too much oposition from red side,then red side could have 1942 La-5 as reserve in Crimea44-Smolensk44,which is even better than Yak-9D and more balanced (or even better)to F-4.
Superbobs calm proposal about F-4 is a very decent one,and i think,from what i understand from your post,that you are willing to give it a thought and discuss it with red side.
And i think most red pilots,not too concerned only about winning,but also about HAVING BLUE OPOSITION TO WIN and not fly alone,will give it a thought also.

Again,sorry for the overwelming posts,but we really needed some answers and the game really needs some changes.

WBR,
Typhoon.
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Сообщение Otto » 05 сен 2010, 19:33

Hello,

Jag, could you tell us what is the vision administration has for ADW, do you wan't it be historical or balanced in terms of planes, ground forces resources, maps etc. ?

Some notes from me:

Fighters:

It is good that you consider to replace G6. Although, I do not agree that F4 vs. LA5 is balanced - LA beats the F4 below 2k in all aspects.

However, at least in previous round we noticed that blue side was getting new plane models later than red did i.e. in early -44 maps we were still flying with -43 plane models while red side had already -44 models like Yak 3, 9M, La7 etc. Why - this is related to first question, historical or balanced? Yak 9UT was there as a new red plane after many rounds. My impression was that fightersets were heavily balanced towards red at the end of campaign, while beginning of campaign was as usual Emils against Ratas (although wrong versions compared to history). Why no ME262-1a as bonus in Balaton & Berlin ?

Jabo:

You say that this was strenghtened for blue. Yes, I liked the 210 a lot :) We got this in Lviv - maybe it could have arrived earlier than late -44 like all our latest fighters?

Blue fighters were limited to 250kg bomb. For a trained pilot it is enough to kill one tank but maybe not that easy for a new pilot which could get it more easily with 500kg. At the same time red side has Yak 9T and 9M which are fighters and can kill tanks very easily. (in addition to Yak 9K and Lagg IT which convert into fighters when required) Good that IL-10 was not in planeset this round

What about having (modded) 110C or F models as bomber reserve just like reds have IL2 ?

Since ADW is most cases won on the ground I think it is important to further improve blue Jabo cababilities.

Bombers:

PE2 and A20C are the mainstrean bombers for red side. They are 50-100km/h faster, climb 30-50% better, do the same damage with half of the payload than blue counterparts JU88 and HE-111. This means that they can do more sorties, same damage per sortie than blue counterparts and most cases survive.

Mods could allow more historical planes for red in early-mid campaign like SB-2, DB-3, and IL-4. For blue FW-200 could be suitable high alt bomber (not fast and good climbing as A20C but better than HE or JU from 6k+)

I saw that there was some discusson about bombs in Russian forum so maybe there is something you could do on this side too. Maybe the solution is to have different targets for red and blue as someone suggested there.

Finally, is there any plans to use 4.09 or 4.10 (when released) as a basis for ADW mod ? Especially 4.10 will have tons of bug fixes and improvements which are required after many years from last official version. If you are lacking resources to incorporate modded planes etc. I am sure that UP creators can and are willing to prepare a mod pack for ADW too just like they have done for USL and WarBirdsofPrey. This would be one step towards easier installation and gameplay for people not so familiar with mods installation etc. and maybe make ADW more popular - I am sure that 90% of ADW pilots have UP installed already.

Maybe there will be more post from me once I know - historical or balanced?
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Сообщение Otto » 05 сен 2010, 19:44

One more note about previous rounds - since 8th round we have been flying only for fun, not really trying to win the campaign since it is so hard for blue side and would cost us couple thousands flights and endless hours of playing.

Once we can see improvement on this we might be back in more organised way - we will be here most like anyway but as said only for fun, since this is almost only places where you can play against teams instead of duckhunt you experience on ordinary DF servers. (which is fun sometimes too) So what I wan't to say is that at the moment ADW pleases us only on tactical but not on strategic level.
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Сообщение -=RedS=-Jag » 05 сен 2010, 22:29

Hello, Otto!
I am glad to see you!

To all!
Guys, I am pleased that you have begun to share his thoughts and the conversation sort of went.
I would just say some things.
At the moment I do not have a lot of time on this request to understand the delays in responses.
So you should understand that as I have said, we actually very much limited in technical capability to fix, because people who can do it very busy on the real work.
Also, we can not satisfy all your requests and suggestions, as the number of people and opinions are almost always the same. =)

Probably at the beginning of the correct answer will be Otto the question of the historicity or the balance?
As far as I know at ADW always talked about balance!
And just want to appear that now he is. The first part of the war is difficult to red and the second hard blue. And it is natural.

Just like what you would understand there can not be considered separately taken a plane and say it is bad or good, because project team here!
And the winner is always the team in not depending on what aircraft they fly!


Therefore, Otto I do not want to start talking about the comparison aircraft.
Believe in the Russian part of the forum is doing it for 1001 times and nothing has changed ...
If you will have specific questions on a particular aircraft on the map then we will discuss them, but on a global scale is useless = /

For example, we know that blue is not enough good assaults and attempted to solve this problem by giving Hs-129 and Me-210.

As for the forbidden SC-500 it is only a hawk, a storm, everything is open.

With regard to the MOD here we need to be very careful! You're flying on IL-4?
I'll fly the spacecraft on it and against and I can say that the blue pilots will be very much pleased with his appearance! = (

Yes, the plans include upgrades to 4.10, when it appears ...

General considerations about the G6.
Personally, I am surprised this problem, because first time I hear that it is a problem for those years that I'm flying on ADW and blue and red a lot to complain about and pulled the blanket over himself, but the first time I heard
I'll speak with our experienced pilots and we will think about what I can do. As soon as I have information on this subject, I immediately tell it to you.

Please forgive me for using Google translator, and if I missed some of your questions. Just all very much.

WBR, -=RedS=-Jag
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Сообщение 335th_GRTyphoon » 05 сен 2010, 23:19

-=RedS=-Jag писал(а):Hello, Otto!
I am glad to see you!

To all!
Guys, I am pleased that you have begun to share his thoughts and the conversation sort of went.



And the winner is always the team in not depending on what aircraft they fly!


If you will have specific questions on a particular aircraft on the map then we will discuss them, but on a global scale is useless = /

For example, we know that blue is not enough good assaults and attempted to solve this problem by giving Hs-129 and Me-210.

As for the forbidden SC-500 it is only a hawk, a storm, everything is open.




General considerations about the G6.
Personally, I am surprised this problem, because first time I hear that it is a problem for those years that I'm flying on ADW and blue and red a lot to complain about and pulled the blanket over himself, but the first time I heard
I'll speak with our experienced pilots and we will think about what I can do. As soon as I have information on this subject, I immediately tell it to you.

Please forgive me for using Google translator, and if I missed some of your questions. Just all very much.

WBR, -=RedS=-Jag



-=RedS=-Jag
it is the first time in all those years i play ADW that someone really talked and argued with me,and i think that this is a major improvement for english speaking part of forum.
So,thank you for this.

yes,the winner is definetly the better organized team,and reds were better on this last years.
except ADW7,there we had Otto,his friends and ID/IC Destroyers band.
its also a great improvement that you guys TRY to balance things on the ground also.
SC500 issue and maybe JU-87 D5 earlier in game would also be a good solution?

About G-6,i am also surprised that no one ever brought this problem up from blue side.
It may seem like a little detail for you,but believe me,A LOT on the map depends on a detail like this,having a plane (G-6) nobody wants to fly and not taking risks with it.
And if blue fly G-6 as reseve late war,afraid of going low to assist ground attack,then there is another reason why blue was so weak on ground attack!.Cause it is so damn hard to cover our Stuka bombers low!
Especially with G-6 crap of a plane.

Anyway,thanks for the reply,i hope you guys take the right decisions

and dont worry about translator,we understand you.. :D

S~
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Сообщение -=RedS=-Jag » 06 сен 2010, 10:38

335th_GRTyphoon писал(а):it is the first time in all those years i play ADW that someone really talked and argued with me,and i think that this is a major improvement for english speaking part of forum.
So,thank you for this.
As u can see we creat English part forum and in the plans was to provide an individual who knows the English, but unfortunately it has not yet happened. =(
But we want all parties involved in the dialogue, this will only benefit.

335th_GRTyphoon писал(а):yes,the winner is definetly the better organized team,and reds were better on this last years.
Yes who flies more and better organized always win. This is many times been proven. =)

335th_GRTyphoon писал(а):SC500 issue and maybe JU-87 D5 earlier in game would also be a good solution?
I don't think that this issue is very important at this juncture. Unfortunately there are more serious difficulties! Please treat with understanding!

And guys I have question for u about recent innovations with the fog of war.
What do you think?
Was wondering whether to fly?
It is more difficult, if yes then it's good or not?
It is necessary to return the S button?
It is necessary to return the general chat (it was closed because of the constant abuse)?
And e.t.c.

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Сообщение Otto » 06 сен 2010, 11:22

-=RedS=-Jag писал(а):General considerations about the G6.
Personally, I am surprised this problem, because first time I hear that it is a problem for those years that I'm flying on ADW and blue and red a lot to complain about and pulled the blanket over himself, but the first time I heard
I'll speak with our experienced pilots and we will think about what I can do. As soon as I have information on this subject, I immediately tell it to you.

Well, I remember there was discussion to replace G6 Early with late model last year and it was denied by red pilots:

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Сообщение RedEye_Miji » 06 сен 2010, 20:16

One of the best changes in ADW, was to remove ALL channel from chat, at least we don't need to read more ATCHUUSSS and no sense & idiotics opinion ..........

the other change i miss: random end time of the mission; it was a great idea, please, no more suicidal dives in middle of SUM position or enemy AF.
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Сообщение -=RedS=-Jag » 09 сен 2010, 08:21

Well...I talk with same experience blue pilots and all seys: maximum what us need G6/Late.

I am in general agreement with this change, but we have a problem with the fact that the reserve plane will intersect with the plane basis. This will lead to serious problems.
We need to think what can be done. I hope we can come up with something...

I'll keep you posted ...

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Сообщение RedEye_Miji » 09 сен 2010, 19:25

Yarpen писал(а):Give us F4 instead G6 or G6Late. Maybe even E7 would be nice.

Wait a moment, I have a brilliant idea !! Remove all Fw-190, and Bf-109F and G from fighters lines and leave only E4. Flying E4/B on Smoleńsk 44, Balaton or Berlin - it would be a challenge :wink: For both sides - reds and blues.

Regards.
LeLv8_Yarpen.


a more brilliant idea here, give blues Me262 from Lviv'41 !!!!!

:( be serious man, don't waste people's time, with foolish posts.
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Сообщение 335th_GRTyphoon » 09 сен 2010, 20:34

-=RedS=-Jag писал(а):Well...I talk with same experience blue pilots and all seys: maximum what us need G6/Late.

I am in general agreement with this change, but we have a problem with the fact that the reserve plane will intersect with the plane basis. This will lead to serious problems.
We need to think what can be done. I hope we can come up with something...

I'll keep you posted ...

WBR -=RedS=-Jag



-=RedS=-Jag

If G-6/Late will be available as reserve,it has no sence to keep G-6/Late in plane line basis.
would it be easy to remove G-6/Late complete from basis line and replace with G-6/AS?
if its not possible,then F-4 would be for me the best (and most balanced) solution.
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