ADW from 335th_GR Red Point of View

Сообщение 335th_GRTyphoon » 12 апр 2012, 18:40

Greetings and Salute to all pilots,Red and Blue,fighting this war.

Some of you may know it,and most not,that =HL= and =HLB= squadrons represented 335th_GR squadron in this war.
We decided to fly Red this ADW to make it a bit more interesting for us,but also to see the problems and difficulties red pilots have to deal with.
We experienced the fight for survival in humble Rata's against fast (diving :bud: ) Emil 109,the struggle of weak Yak-1 and even more weak(weapons) Mig against hungry 109 F-4's,to progressivelly balancing the war in the skies with P-40 (at last good weapons!),and ultimately having a good time with La-5 FN and later enjoy hunting with La-7.
On the ground as =HLB= bombing squadron we had fun in i-15bis easily destroying columns while evading 20mm cannon :D and occasionally killing the 109 pilot who was not carefull enough :kruger: ,flying il and then Pe-2 and last A-20.
I think we did pretty good,considering that we flew for the first time with many of red planes,and we choose maybe the worst planeset for reds,with too many Migs :evil: :D

Our conclusions about fighter planeset is that nowdays it is mostly balanced.
RFF and TUS squadrons demostrated very well how blue machines should be flown,but i am also sure thet they discovered that it is not easy to defend tanks and columns low with them.
They are big squadrons with many pilots and so they have the advantage to fly in big groups and support each other,which is very important and something other smaller squadrons dont have,but they fight hard and they stay together,so,big Salute (S~) to =RFF= and =TUS= for good teamplay and good fights.

One thing that impressed us is how easy we got qualification points with i-16 for fighter and bomber planeset.We got qualification for 16 pilots in 24 hours(!),mostly by destroying ground units.

About bomber planeset,we enjoyed the Chaika very much,this little plane impressed us most,it was very good killing AAA and also very good in defending itself and killing Bf.IL without gunner,not so impressive :facepalm: ,and Pe-2 was really very fast and easy to fly,very good climbing and with very good diving and escaping,but also vulnerable,and we found targeting sight better in Ju-88,and of course SC bombs do more damage,so bombing must be more precise and accurate in Pe-2.We made a mistake and choose A-20G instead of A-20C,the G model is disapointing,the A-20C is superb plane.

On the other hand,i think that Hs-129 in blue reserve is helping a lot,although i know that Hs must have strong fighter cover to survive,but it is capable of doing as much damage to tanks as IL.

Having flown ADW as red now and so having a better opinion about it,i remember TUS Wecker posting:

Wecker59 писал(а):
-=RedS=-Jag писал(а):Ja, das war dieser Krieg sehr schwer für die blaue Seite. In den roten war eine Menge erfahrene Piloten und Zusammenhalt.
Aber in den nächsten Krieg, ist den meisten dieser Piloten für die blaue Seite;)



Ich und einige Piloten von der Rotesseite haben vor, am nächste Krieg auf der Blauenseite teilzunehmen. Wichtige Gründe dafür sind ,dass mehrheit des Blau sind uberzeugten , dass die Blau haben keine Chance den Krieg zugewinnen . Sie behaupten dabei, dass laufende Rotesflugzeuge sind besser , als Blauesflugzeuge. Wir möchten eine Bestätigung dazu haben . Deshalb haben wir ein Vorschlag zum Alle : Sehr geehrte Piloten ! Nehmen Sie am nächste Krieg teil. Probieren Sie Rotesflugzeuge ! Ich bin sicher, , dass es gefällt Ihnen :cheer:


Wecker59 писал(а): Ich bin sicher, , dass es gefällt Ihnen :cheer:
,i am sure that he liked it also..... I would now ask his opinion about loosing as blue pilots,allthough blue side flew for more than half of the war with 4:1 or 3:1 quorum,and they flew as big teams with excelent cover and teamplay,they got many kills and streaks ,and they had many experienced bomber pilots and many many bombing missions........... but they lost.....

S~ all,good fight,and see you soon in next ADW....... as friend or as enemy...... :agree:


=HL=Achilles.......335th_GRTyphoon
=HL=Titanas.......335th_GRThunder
=HL=Ierax..........335th_GRSavras
=HL=Lagos.........335th_GRDedalos
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Сообщение Wecker59 » 12 апр 2012, 21:16

Es machte Spaß, an blauen Seite zufliegen. Leider, mehrheit des blauen nach 43. aufgehört haben, zu fliegen. Der Zahl des rote steigt umgekehrt auf. Unsere Gruppe ( RFF, TUS, FWD ) die sind fast alle Map übergegangen , wollten den Piloten Messerjokl und Ruhland bedanken :bravo: . Sie keine Angst gehabt haben, gegen rotes Mehrheit zufliegen. Sie sind echte Kämpfer und wir begeistern sind von Ihnen.
An blaue Seite man kann in Krieg teilnehmen. Alle Bedinungen sind dafür.
Natürlich , Mißverständnis gewesen waren, aber die Spiel war sehr Interessant . Vielen Dank alle, der gespielt hat.
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Сообщение RedEye_Miji » 05 май 2012, 16:18

335th_GRTyphoon писал(а):We experienced the fight for survival in humble Rata's ..............

One thing that impressed us is how easy we got qualification points with i-16 for fighter and bomber planeset.We got qualification for 16 pilots in 24 hours(!),mostly by destroying ground units.


I'd like to talk to you about those 2 points:

Rata is a Fascist / Nazi name for Mosca fighter, a red pilot NEVER uses this insulting name, try to correct this. ;)

about easy qualification whit a i-16 for fighter planeset (not for bomber), take a look about this:

I16 + 2bombs = 1point for tank (bombs) + 2 point for some trucks maybe 6 = total 3 points for raid
Emil4 + 4 bombs = 2 points for tanks (bombs) + 4 points for T26 whit 20mm. + 2 point for some trucks maybe 6 = total 8 points for raid

If you are attacking convoys (low level) you CAN'T escape whit a Polikarpov, but whit a Bf is easy evade fight only running......

PD: I wonder if you flight in same ADW server than me :why:
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Сообщение wolfofwinter » 07 май 2012, 19:43

RedEye_Miji писал(а):
335th_GRTyphoon писал(а):We experienced the fight for survival in humble Rata's ..............

One thing that impressed us is how easy we got qualification points with i-16 for fighter and bomber planeset.We got qualification for 16 pilots in 24 hours(!),mostly by destroying ground units.


I'd like to talk to you about those 2 points:

Rata is a Fascist / Nazi name for Mosca fighter, a red pilot NEVER uses this insulting name, try to correct this. ;)

about easy qualification whit a i-16 for fighter planeset (not for bomber), take a look about this:

I16 + 2bombs = 1point for tank (bombs) + 2 point for some trucks maybe 6 = total 3 points for raid
Emil4 + 4 bombs = 2 points for tanks (bombs) + 4 points for T26 whit 20mm. + 2 point for some trucks maybe 6 = total 8 points for raid

If you are attacking convoys (low level) you CAN'T escape whit a Polikarpov, but whit a Bf is easy evade fight only running......

PD: I wonder if you flight in same ADW server than me :why:


Saludo Compis....

De que peso son las bombas de los i16 (Solo la he volado en servidores en su modalidad de caza puro, por eso pregunto, ante mi desconocimiento) ???? ... Es que no sé, me parece verles con 2 de 100 que equivalen a las 4x50--- Con el unico y pequeñisismo detalle que las 2 de 50Kg deben soltarse con mas precision... Sin menospreciar la mejor y mayor cualidad de las "moscas" para evadir, tanto aviones enemigos como el ir en Zig Zag entre la AAA .....
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Сообщение 335th_GRTyphoon » 08 май 2012, 21:11

RedEye_Miji писал(а):
335th_GRTyphoon писал(а):We experienced the fight for survival in humble Rata's ..............

One thing that impressed us is how easy we got qualification points with i-16 for fighter and bomber planeset.We got qualification for 16 pilots in 24 hours(!),mostly by destroying ground units.


I'd like to talk to you about those 2 points:

Rata is a Fascist / Nazi name for Mosca fighter, a red pilot NEVER uses this insulting name, try to correct this. ;)

about easy qualification whit a i-16 for fighter planeset (not for bomber), take a look about this:

I16 + 2bombs = 1point for tank (bombs) + 2 point for some trucks maybe 6 = total 3 points for raid
Emil4 + 4 bombs = 2 points for tanks (bombs) + 4 points for T26 whit 20mm. + 2 point for some trucks maybe 6 = total 8 points for raid

If you are attacking convoys (low level) you CAN'T escape whit a Polikarpov, but whit a Bf is easy evade fight only running......

PD: I wonder if you flight in same ADW server than me :why:



Miji,i had no clue or knowledge about the meaning "Rata".
One thing i know is that this name is widely used in blue community to describe I-16,and on You-Tube also,but anyway,of course no intention to offend anybody.


Its not only how many bombs you carry,or how much 20mm cannon,its a lot of things more.
Its how easy and how close you come to AAA,how easy or not AAA hits you.
Its also how easy you can destroy enemy AAA and trucks also.
Try this: Attack a column with Emil,try to dive with 600Kmph and hit a tank with 50kg bombs,and then try to strafe the AAA.You will find that it is not easy to destroy the tanks,and it is much more difficult to destroy AAA by strafing.In I-16,it is a lot easier (my opinion,but based on what i experienced as red),you are a smaller target than 109, you fly slower and have more time to aim,you have a very very higher rate of fire than in 109s (most times we destroyed 20mm AAA and trucks with half-second bursts....),you have many more bullets also and 109s can not stay on your 6 and have no easy shots.
.......if you get attacked low (lets say 300m) by hungry Bf it is easier to defend in I-16 than when you get attacked low while attacking trucks (200-300m) in Bf by I-16....I remember a lot of missions when i flew in Chaika or I-16 with Tumu,and he escorted me in enemy territory against 2 or 3 Bf (Thanks again Tumu,we had some good missions together :beer: ),and i managed to destroy a lot of targets and a lot of times come back safe.
Do you agree?
Besides,i only tried to write down my conclusion about ground attack with I-16,and what i wrote was the truth:4 of us qualificated for total 16 pilots=64 points in one (1) day!!!!!!! (you can check stats from admins if you like,we started at Day-1 and on the night of Day-2 we got qualify)
We are the same pilots,we try very hard and gave our best as red pilots,you know that,but we NEVER qualificated so easy when we were flying blue.
Too bad i cant show you missions (but i have tracks) where each of our I-16 had 16-17 ground targets destroyed in one (1) sortie,while 109s attacked us.....


So,yes,i think i am quite sure that the 300 missions i flew in this ADW,were in the same ADW as yours..... :D

S~
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Сообщение RedEye_Miji » 17 май 2012, 19:59

wolfofwinter писал(а):
RedEye_Miji писал(а):
335th_GRTyphoon писал(а):We experienced the fight for survival in humble Rata's ..............

One thing that impressed us is how easy we got qualification points with i-16 for fighter and bomber planeset.We got qualification for 16 pilots in 24 hours(!),mostly by destroying ground units.


I'd like to talk to you about those 2 points:

Rata is a Fascist / Nazi name for Mosca fighter, a red pilot NEVER uses this insulting name, try to correct this. ;)

about easy qualification whit a i-16 for fighter planeset (not for bomber), take a look about this:

I16 + 2bombs = 1point for tank (bombs) + 2 point for some trucks maybe 6 = total 3 points for raid
Emil4 + 4 bombs = 2 points for tanks (bombs) + 4 points for T26 whit 20mm. + 2 point for some trucks maybe 6 = total 8 points for raid

If you are attacking convoys (low level) you CAN'T escape whit a Polikarpov, but whit a Bf is easy evade fight only running......

PD: I wonder if you flight in same ADW server than me :why:


Saludo Compis....

De que peso son las bombas de los i16 (Solo la he volado en servidores en su modalidad de caza puro, por eso pregunto, ante mi desconocimiento) ???? ... Es que no sé, me parece verles con 2 de 100 que equivalen a las 4x50--- Con el unico y pequeñisismo detalle que las 2 de 50Kg deben soltarse con mas precision... Sin menospreciar la mejor y mayor cualidad de las "moscas" para evadir, tanto aviones enemigos como el ir en Zig Zag entre la AAA .....


las bombas del Mosca son de 100Kg, pero da igual, si no es con impacto directo, no te cargas el tanque, por tanto, me reafirmo:
1 Mosca = 1 suelta de bombas = 1 tanque
1 Bf = 2 sueltas de bombas = 2 tanques

lo de evadir la AAA, tiene sentido con las ZSU, hasta que no aparecen, no hay nada que evadir, y para cuando las ZSU aparecen, los Moscas hace tiempo que no se vuelan.
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Сообщение Wecker59 » 04 июн 2012, 08:37

S.Nikolaich писал(а):Команде синих пилотов хочу сказать спасибо за интереснейший вчерашний день. Получил удовольствие летать с Вами в команде. Немцам тоже наш общий думаю огромный респект, за их ответственность и результативность. Классно полетали!


[quote = "S.Nikolaich"] Ich möchte den Blau-Piloten vielen Dank für einen interessanten Gestern sagen. Ich bekamm große Spaß von Fliegen. Danke allem und Respekt den Deutschen , die große Verantwortung und Leistungsfähigkeit gestern gezeigt haben . Es worden klasse Fliegen! [/ Quote]
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