Come on boys, keep playing please

[ECV56_Necathor]

I don't know wich is the problem with us the red pilots, you blues(with exceptions) always said that one red is cheater because is good or got a good ride, I can't undertand your fear.
if you see some blues have more than a 100 kills or many times more than a 4 kills in one sortie and nobody tell these pilots as cheaters just they are good pilots.
I have just one thing that I always complaing with you blues.
You like hunt reds but why if you are so brave to enter in a dogfight put lights as soon the red it's on your six, if you are afraid buy a dog, but don't put lights if you wanna fight.

[RedEye_Tumu]

saludos neca!

todo esto es bastante triste.

De entrada los de teamdeadelos desde que tocaron los FMs han conseguido cosas muy curiosas.... en un par de versiones mas los federich despegaran como el su26 y se llamara bf109f2-helicopter y todo basado en datos reales!!!! ahora cualquier bf109F2 o F4 puede llevar bombas, e incluso gondolas.... mientras ves como la balistica de los calibres pequeños se ignora completamente y tienes que pasarte los mapas jodido con los type18 y los i153M62 , los mig... etc

A lo largo de esta competicion los que mas han " aportado" casi siempre han sido los azules , pero basicamente es poqute las observaciones de los rojos se las pasan por ahi abajo.

Salta un bug en contra de ellos y como locos aqui posteando.... nos falla a nosotros cualquier cosa y .... callate que estas equivocado. si quizas no tenga el mejor de los dias... pero cuando tienes que pelear con un lag3s4 contra el doble de enemigos en helicoterF4s te pasa esto, que te dan ganas de no jugar unos dias a ver si cambian los mapas.


relamente en ADW deberian hacer algo para plantearse la jugabilidad de la competicion. por ejemplo pasar al hsfx donde ves que todos los aviones son terribles con su pegada y no hace falta tener que montar dos cañones del 20 ( eso si que no sean rusos ) para poder ir rompiendo aviones a diestro y siniestro.

Y tienes razon neca, ahora vemos pilotos con megastrikes y con salidas super letales y aqui estamos todos callados, asumiendo que esto es asi, que los rojos son solo patos para el tiro de los ases azules.... y si alguno les tose un poco... pues eso, es un tramposo y a la calle.

bueno. que lo disfruten tio. a mi cada vez me cansa mas esto.

un abrazo neca.

[-=RedS=-Jag]

Friends!
Yes, in the beginning of the war, the Red side ispytavaet some problems. But to 43 same problems begin at the blue side!
On ADW is most important to fly in a team!
That is what ensures success in flight and on the map!

As for the aircraft all of them have advantages and disadvantages, you should be able to use it.
About teamdeadelos I very much agree, their patches very strange.

[Treetop Flyer]

Y tienes razon neca, ahora vemos pilotos con megastrikes y con salidas super letales y aqui estamos todos callados, asumiendo que esto es asi, que los rojos son solo patos para el tiro de los ases azules.... y si alguno les tose un poco... pues eso, es un tramposo y a la calle.

Exactamente, lo peor que puede pasarle a un buen piloto de caza rojo es derribar seguido a estos intento de experte, ya que enseguida se monta un manto de dudas sobre su honestidad: que se desconecta para no dar derribos o mantener buenas rachas, que tiene armas modeladas, que tiene radar, y bla bla bla. Pero lo triste no es que ante una duda (sin prueba concreta alguna por supuesto) el pequeño grupo de llorones haga esto, lo malo es que los administradores le presten atención y hagan caso a sus llantos como un abuelo débil que cumple con los todos caprichos de su nieto

De todas maneras =RedS=Jag tiene razón en algo, la ADW es 1º quorum, y 2º trabajo en equipo, y debemos asumir que los rojos en esta edición tienen una pésima comunicación, que son bastante novatos en su mayoría en lo que a prioridades del mapa respecta y esto cansa mas que la debilidad de algunos aviones de caza rojos. Por mas malos que sean los aviones, con quorum parejo y buen trabajo en equipo, se pueden ganar mapas.

[ECV56_Necathor]

Ambos tienen razon, y definitivamente dan ganas de no seguir estos mapas donde los azules vuelan ufos, al menos deben pasar a la 4.11 esto lo antes posible.
El post va mas dirijido a todos los llorones azules que como dije si uno los mata es poque esta hakeando, es para que dejen de ser tan cobartes y se dediquen a volar y no a llorar, a ver si para la proxima adw tal vez les ponga sidewinders a los F4 para que no les cueste tanto matar I16s

[ECV56_Necathor]

Friends!
Yes, in the beginning of the war, the Red side ispytavaet some problems. But to 43 same problems begin at the blue side!
On ADW is most important to fly in a team!
That is what ensures success in flight and on the map!

As for the aircraft all of them have advantages and disadvantages, you should be able to use it.
About teamdeadelos I very much agree, their patches very strange.

Thank you Jag for your anwser, but I disagree about you said that blues have problems over 43, that is not a problem just the reds almost have same planes at that time and the "experten LW" dont like that and I say almost because you always see MK108, gun pods or just need maybe sidewinders for easy kills.
I think the admins have to think about the all beneficts that you give at blue side, becuase if you read about special weapons like gunpuds an Mk108 the were reserved for the defense of the Berlin and the reality is that the balistic and aerodinamics are not modelling correct. After the destuction of the fabric for MK108 at the middle of 43 this cannons were really rare.
Another issue is that the reds are tire about all these beneficts and more when you permit that some people(of blue side) do what ever they want. But the reds just fight with everything that you give us incluse rocks if you want.

[-=RedS=-Jag]

but I disagree about you said that blues have problems over 43

Look here http://www.adw.alkar.net/wars/index.html
7 red win, 4 blue win!
And in this war Mk108 locked in reserv Bf-109G-6.
And most importantly ... we're talking about airplanes and victory in the war?
The first is generally better in blue, but the second is easier to achieve red!

Generally these disputes have always been. But trust me on this point planes optimally balanced for both sides.

[Treetop Flyer]

here http://www.adw.alkar.net/wars/index.html
7 red win, 4 blue win!

In early editions team Daidalos didn´t exist; so they couldn´t mess everything up and for example modify 109F FM to make it even more uber than it was.
In early editions 109F4's were not able to carry gunpods.
In early editions blue were not allowed to carry 2xMk108 in 109G6L reserve planes.
In early editions administrators did not pay attention to some very few blueguys crying for planeset change.
In early editions red tanks would go forward if not attacked by blue; now, not only they don´t go forward, they also dissapear from map and instead a column of blue tanks advance.

And so on.

But trust me on this point planes optimally balanced for both sides.

I disagree.

Anyway, I agree at the end of the day it is all about quorum + teamwork.

[wolfofwinter]

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[Messerjockl]

FW190 FM was also changed, but not to the advantage of blue.
MK108 (Ballistik like Bowling) is only effectiv against soft Targets, not against Tanks like heavy Guns on red Side.
Red Side can use Rockets, blue dont use rockets.

And if Front move to East, i think its because red Side lose twice as much Planes as blue Side.
The name of Game is Air domination War

[Treetop Flyer]

FW190 FM was also changed, but not to the advantage of blue.
MK108 (Ballistik like Bowling) is only effectiv against soft Targets, not against Tanks like heavy Guns on red Side.
Red Side can use Rockets, blue dont use rockets.

Hi Messerjockl, thank you for replying. I think you are missing the whole point here, cause my comment was in reply to =RedS=Jag saying LW has better fighter planes but reds have easier victory. I'm comparing first editions until ADW11 included, differ from last 5 editions. Not only Daidalos patch made things better for blue, also some ADW admin decissions make it possible. You say Mk108 is effective against soft targets? Like planes for example? Well, that is exactly what i mean. The reserve plane with 2xMk108 has even more fire power than main plane line. The equal plane for reds, the reserve one (Yak9D) can´t blow a bomber out of the sky with a couple of shots, 109G6L can You say Mk108 can not kill tanks? well Yak9D can not kill tanks neither. Blue don´t use rockets? They don´t need them, as they have uber 109F4+gunpods, and later 109G2 with gunpods, and later FW190s. Shooting down planes with a single shot has never been a problem from blue side fighters from map nº1.

And if Front move to East, i think its because red Side lose twice as much Planes as blue Side.
The name of Game is Air domination War

I've been here earlier than any other non russian squad (except Redeyes who have been in ADW since it's 3º edition), so be sure i know the name of the game Losing more planes means nothing regarding tanks movement; maybe planes are lost due to much ground attack, or different reasons. But this edition funny things happen with red/blue tanks; and for sure red columns are weaker. For example there is a red column, no LW planes attack red tanks, next mission not only red tanks don´t move forward, they also dissapear from map and instead generator shows a blue column advancing after capturing 1 sector too????? Where did those invisible panzer come from? Yesterday, M8 airfield was red after last mission with quorum; 2 reloads later M8 was captured by blue tanks with no quorum, YES not a single player in game!

So, i'm saying it's a bit frustrating for reds when you see that during last ADW editions there has been changes to have better blue planesets -and better ground forces- (let`s not mention Daidalos rubbish) after some complaning such as reserve plane G6L can carry 2xMk108; Hs129 as reserve; 109F4 has better FM and can carry bombs and gunpods; weaker red tank columns than before. Probably i'm missing some other changes. So, many modifications to blue planeset and also in ground development, not a single one for reds, NONE=0

In early editions blue had better fighters but victory was easier for reds, and it required a lot of hard work for blues to win ADW. Now, both sides have equal chances to win the war, and blue have the advantage in planes, even il2's can be killed easier now. So it is not like =RedS=Jag said, victory is not easier for red anymore.

[Messerjockl]

if you want easy fight, you must join Blue

fight on red !


btw: i think, airvictorys and airlosses are more important for moving the Front, as Groundvictorys and Groundlosses

[Blakhart]

Hi Messerjockl, thank you for replying. I think you are missing the whole point here, cause my comment was in reply to =RedS=Jag saying LW has better fighter planes but reds have easier victory. I'm comparing first editions until ADW11 included, differ from last 5 editions. Not only Daidalos patch made things better for blue, also some ADW admin decissions make it possible. You say Mk108 is effective against soft targets? Like planes for example? Well, that is exactly what i mean. The reserve plane with 2xMk108 has even more fire power than main plane line. The equal plane for reds, the reserve one (Yak9D) can´t blow a bomber out of the sky with a couple of shots, 109G6L can You say Mk108 can not kill tanks? well Yak9D can not kill tanks neither. Blue don´t use rockets? They don´t need them, as they have uber 109F4+gunpods, and later 109G2 with gunpods, and later FW190s. Shooting down planes with a single shot has never been a problem from blue side fighters from map nº1.

I've been here earlier than any other non russian squad (except Redeyes who have been in ADW since it's 3º edition), so be sure i know the name of the game Losing more planes means nothing regarding tanks movement; maybe planes are lost due to much ground attack, or different reasons. But this edition funny things happen with red/blue tanks; and for sure red columns are weaker. For example there is a red column, no LW planes attack red tanks, next mission not only red tanks don´t move forward, they also dissapear from map and instead generator shows a blue column advancing after capturing 1 sector too????? Where did those invisible panzer come from? Yesterday, M8 airfield was red after last mission with quorum; 2 reloads later M8 was captured by blue tanks with no quorum, YES not a single player in game!

So, i'm saying it's a bit frustrating for reds when you see that during last ADW editions there has been changes to have better blue planesets -and better ground forces- (let`s not mention Daidalos rubbish) after some complaning such as reserve plane G6L can carry 2xMk108; Hs129 as reserve; 109F4 has better FM and can carry bombs and gunpods; weaker red tank columns than before. Probably i'm missing some other changes. So, many modifications to blue planeset and also in ground development, not a single one for reds, NONE=0

In early editions blue had better fighters but victory was easier for reds, and it required a lot of hard work for blues to win ADW. Now, both sides have equal chances to win the war, and blue have the advantage in planes, even il2's can be killed easier now. So it is not like =RedS=Jag said, victory is not easier for red anymore.

Sounds like an virtual aviation expert but lets be honest ----> total bullshit of a frustrated sim-nerd...

[Treetop Flyer]

Hi Messerjockl, thank you for replying.[...] I think you are missing the whole point here, cause my comment was in reply to =RedS=Jag saying LW has better fighter planes but reds have easier victory. I'm comparing first editions until ADW11 included, differ from last 5 editions. Not only Daidalos patch made things better for blue, also some ADW admin decissions make it possible. You say Mk108 is effective against soft targets? Like planes for example? Well, that is exactly what i mean. The reserve plane with 2xMk108 has even more fire power than main plane line. The equal plane for reds, the reserve one (Yak9D) can´t blow a bomber out of the sky with a couple of shots, 109G6L can You say Mk108 can not kill tanks? well Yak9D can not kill tanks neither. Blue don´t use rockets? They don´t need them, as they have uber 109F4+gunpods, and later 109G2 with gunpods, and later FW190s. Shooting down planes with a single shot has never been a problem from blue side fighters from map nº1.

I've been here earlier than any other non russian squad (except Redeyes who have been in ADW since it's 3º edition), so be sure i know the name of the game Losing more planes means nothing regarding tanks movement; maybe planes are lost due to much ground attack, or different reasons. But this edition funny things happen with red/blue tanks; and for sure red columns are weaker. For example there is a red column, no LW planes attack red tanks, next mission not only red tanks don´t move forward, they also dissapear from map and instead generator shows a blue column advancing after capturing 1 sector too????? Where did those invisible panzer come from? Yesterday, M8 airfield was red after last mission with quorum; 2 reloads later M8 was captured by blue tanks with no quorum, YES not a single player in game!

So, i'm saying it's a bit frustrating for reds when you see that during last ADW editions there has been changes to have better blue planesets -and better ground forces- (let`s not mention Daidalos rubbish) after some complaning such as reserve plane G6L can carry 2xMk108; Hs129 as reserve; 109F4 has better FM and can carry bombs and gunpods; weaker red tank columns than before. Probably i'm missing some other changes. So, many modifications to blue planeset and also in ground development, not a single one for reds, NONE=0

In early editions blue had better fighters but victory was easier for reds, and it required a lot of hard work for blues to win ADW. Now, both sides have equal chances to win the war, and blue have the advantage in planes, even il2's can be killed easier now. So it is not like =RedS=Jag said, victory is not easier for red anymore.

Sounds like an virtual aviation expert but lets be honest ----> total bullshit of a frustrated sim-nerd...

Interesting words young man

[RedEye_Tumu]

I try explain this point before on forum.

Its true , air domination war its the name of competition... this can answer de questions .

Jag says after 43 blue have problems..... i disagree.... after 43 blues need be more carefull. thats all. Its true do a dogfight whit one bf109gs vs La5 at 3.000 mts its a suicide option.... but ADW wins on air no??? blues can do bombruns at 6k and good covers whit bfs on high altitude... and whit supercannons whit supercadence no have any problem for kill many bombers.

thats the true. after 43 blues have more problems for emulate superace "bubi" , more problems for go down and kill 3 or 4 enemys for mission ... but if want survive and win maps, only need continue fly high ,made good bombruns and fight high, iI think reds need planes like yak9u ( year 45 ) for fight high and be competitive. Red side have good weapons for ground atack ( columns ) but .... on ADW columns are a distraction whit many bugs.... important its close on airfield whit one bombrun ( 3 bombers ) and win map on one afternoon.

On 43 and 44, reds continue flying planes are worst on high altitude for intercept enemy bombers and offer good cover... yes some planes have a big cannon ... but are like a stones on high altitudes... and patch after patch , team deadelos made more stronge some planes.....

Anyway , reds need more coordination and this its a good point for blues, they fly coordinated.

i think whit last super pathces of team deadelos .... game no balanced for ADW .... on future maybe are possible some changes.... the idea its offer 2 real options for win maps for both sides.

actually maps win whit tactical bombrun ( best blue option ) but for balance game need second option.... win for ground forces atack ( actually inoperative ) and reds have more chance on their own field. ( low altitudes )

its only a sugestion.

thx all for comments. interesting post.